Arsène Wenger: Same Old Class

[sexpanther]

I had this big depressive episode a few years back and watched a crazy amount of football in that period. PL, Bundesliga, La Liga, Serie A and everything. I'm a football obsessive and read a lot too. Thats how I know so much tactical stuff, players and have naturally great observation+learning skills. I could analyze a player with little available. Don't need stats to tell me anything.

There is no chance in hell Man Utd, Chelsea, Tottenham and Liverpool have a better squad than us and Man City are equals. We just have it cheaper or actually what is the real rate for which I credit Wenger. I also credit Wenger for other things but negative.

Moral of the story, my anal abilities are incredible.

You must be using Sex Panther cologne

 

[Makingtrax]

What a missed opportunity! It would have been a glorious disaster for United. Mr. Eight Year Affair with His Brother's Wife managing a Utd team in the twitter age :bounce:

Giggs is the least fit to ever be a leader. How can anyone follow gutter trash?

You certainly have a point there.

But if we're not appointing managers on their moral conduct, Wenger's not whiter than white, there's no point in Giroud getting his coaching badges and Big Sam had better retire quick.

 

[krackpot]

What top manager is going to choose to come to AFC, work under the restraints of a self sustaining model and also not even have full control of footballing decisions as the past manager is some type of DOF?

None. A manager like Eddie Howe, who many on here scoff at might given his age and inexperience at the top level, but no proven/top manager, one who will take us forward, will sign up for that.

If we are going to move forward we need to commit to it. Admittedly that will be hard given how much power Wenger currently has, far beyond what most managers have, but at some point you just have to rip the bandage off. If we struggle for a bit so be it. All the stability Wenger and the club have preached, as we laughed at United, City and Chelsea, yet all 3 clubs have won the league since Wenger has last and the 3 look very likely to all win it again before AW lifts another.

this is a top post.

We will definitely be looking at Wenga as a DoF or something if an inexperienced guy like Howe comes in, while many (like Pep or his equal) might not agree to work with a shadow manager like Wenga.

 

[samshere]

Look at what happened last season, we beat Leceister and we still finished 10 points behind them. Chelsea is not going to drop a lot of points this season, and we are going to have to win almost all of our remaining games to bridge that 8 points gap. Do you seriously think our current team is capable of doing that?

We'll win the 'beat the PL winners twice' trophy. It'll look good with our 'best looking striker' and 'flatters to deceive' trophies.

 

[Trilly]

Does anyone remember that twitter thread cataloging about 8 years of failure in a way that only Arsenal can?

Read that thread then try and defend Wenger.

 

[blaise]

Look at what happened last season, we beat Leceister and we still finished 10 points behind them. Chelsea is not going to drop a lot of points this season, and we are going to have to win almost all of our remaining games to bridge that 8 points gap. Do you seriously think our current team is capable of doing that?

I am just saying that if we beat them and they dont beat Pool it would be 2-3 points difference. Actually I am pretty interested in what happens that game. Wenger usually has a number of other manager or doesnt.

 

[blaise]

Come on people, Pep or his equal are not coming, not that Pep is anything special as we can see in City, I d take Poch in a second before Pep, Klopp, Jose and Simeone (you d have people moaning at him after three months here). Tottenham got lucky, we just need to pick our Poch.

Although part of me is with Razorist, Premier league is a thin race, we are with a shot next two-three years if we resign Özil and Sanchez, there are much worse possibilities outside than Wenga staying.

 

[Trilly]

Ive read it on forums loads of time sand heard it from oppo fans that I know. Only a few weeks back fans on forums and people I know were saying this Arsenal looks like it has it in them! It's easy to forget, because it goes to sh!t so quickly.

We've all seen that we have it in us though, even his defenders see that.

We've seen this side blow sides away, come back victories, hang onto nervy one goal and so on. This squad has done all the difficult things you would expect from a title winner, we've shown highs that very few teams can match.

Where we painfully fail is perhaps the easiest thing of all: consistency. That's why it baffles me when Wenger's defenders say we have a squad capable of winning the title then a few months later turn around and say it isn't Wenger's fault.

If we then won the title they could claim that they were the true fans who believed in Wenger all along! He can't fail, he will only succeed as far as they're concerned.

 

[Trilly]

Such a shame @Anzac is no longer on A-M. He and @Makingtrax discussing Wenger would be great reading.

imo iirc imo imo

Hmm @Anzac would have killed @Makingtrax. No offence bro.

 

[bingobob]

this is a top post.

We will definitely be looking at Wenga as a DoF or something if an inexperienced guy like Howe comes in, while many (like Pep or his equal) might not agree to work with a shadow manager like Wenga.

To counter that recent United managers shunned Fergie and now Mourinho is embracing him. Maybe a top elite manager would feel less threatened by a figure like Wenger in the shadows. They'd be strong enough to take the advice when they thought it right but strong enough to rebuff.

 

[Trilly]

Also think about it this way:

Forget Leicester for a second.

In the year that all our rivals struggled with adversity, a 1/1000 season, we still couldn't win the league.

It's one thing not being able to win a very competitive league. It's another thing failing to win a one horse race. If your manager can't win with all the odds stacked in his favor then what chance do you have of ever winning?!

 

[rich 1990]

Great idea . . . . wait we'll only half the money to spend on players as the rich 3 teams and be called clueless idiots if we don't beat them.

Might need to rethink this mate

You should all be used to it by now, tbf.

 

[Trilly]

Would also like to put to bed this 'half the money of Manchester' excuse once and for all.

First things first: Chelsea aren't in that bracket anymore. They're moving towards a self-sustaining model and they may have turned a profit overall in the past few years. That leaves just the Manchester clubs...

The PL is a unique league where every team is blessed with bucket loads of money. There are more than enough quality players out there to fill the squads of the top four and more importantly - each and every single club in the top four can afford these players. You only need to look at our rival's squads. The only player in the top 6 whose fee we wouldn't have been able to pay was Pogba's ffs, drop the excuses and face reality.

Trying to push the agenda that we're never expected to be title challengers because of our 'lack' of resources is a steaming hot pile of BS that has been manufactured to protect Wenger.

 

[Mark Tobias]

Would also like to put to bed this 'half the money of Manchester' excuse once and for all.

First things first: Chelsea aren't in that bracket anymore. They're moving towards a self-sustaining model and they may have turned a profit overall in the past few years. That leaves just the Manchester clubs...

The PL is a unique league where every team is blessed with bucket loads of money. There are more than enough quality players out there to fill the squads of the top four and more importantly - each and every single club in the top four can afford these players. You only need to look at our rival's squads. The only player in the top 6 whose fee we wouldn't have been able to pay was Pogba's ffs, drop the excuses and face reality.

Trying to push the agenda that we're never expected to be title challengers because of our 'lack' of resources is a steaming hot pile of BS that has been manufactured to protect Wenger.

"but but but 70-80% correlation. 2nd out of 92. 20 years. top 4 bla bla bla bla"

 

[BBF]

Would also like to put to bed this 'half the money of Manchester' excuse once and for all.

First things first: Chelsea aren't in that bracket anymore. They're moving towards a self-sustaining model and they may have turned a profit overall in the past few years. That leaves just the Manchester clubs...

The PL is a unique league where every team is blessed with bucket loads of money. There are more than enough quality players out there to fill the squads of the top four and more importantly - each and every single club in the top four can afford these players. You only need to look at our rival's squads. The only player in the top 6 whose fee we wouldn't have been able to pay was Pogba's ffs, drop the excuses and face reality.

Trying to push the agenda that we're never expected to be title challengers because of our 'lack' of resources is a steaming hot pile of BS that has been manufactured to protect Wenger.

You just have to look at where we stand financially in the world, and the players we're giving wages too. Wengerites have started talking about transfer fees as a means to our position in the table. How low can u go ffs

 

[BBF]

"but but but 70-80% correlation. 2nd out of 92. 20 years. top 4 bla bla bla bla"

Which is still bollocks

 

[Makingtrax]

Would also like to put to bed this 'half the money of Manchester' excuse once and for all.

First things first: Chelsea aren't in that bracket anymore. They're moving towards a self-sustaining model and they may have turned a profit overall in the past few years. That leaves just the Manchester clubs...

The PL is a unique league where every team is blessed with bucket loads of money. There are more than enough quality players out there to fill the squads of the top four and more importantly - each and every single club in the top four can afford these players. You only need to look at our rival's squads. The only player in the top 6 whose fee we wouldn't have been able to pay was Pogba's ffs, drop the excuses and face reality.

Trying to push the agenda that we're never expected to be title challengers because of our 'lack' of resources is a steaming hot pile of BS that has been manufactured to protect Wenger.

Very eloquent mate, and loved the bold text for emphasis . . . a post of beauty.

So can your 'more than enough quality to go around theory' explain why, apart from one year only, the rich three clubs have won the league every year since since 2004.

Or why, apart from 1 year only, the rich two clubs in Spain have won every year since 2003, in the same pattern as the EPL (even though you say it's different)

 

[Makingtrax]

Which is still bollocks

So someone presents a clearly reasoned scientific appraisal in graph form to prove a point that money acheives results in football and it's deemed bollocks and mocked.

No facts in return, no counter graph, no counter argument, no reasoning . . . just bollocks.

Fair enough that's the point that debate stops and bigotry takes over.

 

[Mark Tobias]

Very eloquent mate, and loved the bold text for emphasis . . . a post of beauty.

So can your 'more than enough quality to go around theory' explain why, apart from one year only, the rich three clubs have won the league every year since since 2004.

Or why apart, from 1 year only, the rich two clubs in Spain have won every year since 2003, in the same pattern as the EPL (even though you say it's different)

Didn't Atletico win a year back?

 

[Makingtrax]

"but but but 70-80% correlation. 2nd out of 92. 20 years. top 4 bla bla bla bla"

Mockery has it's place, but even if you spit on a rose, it's still a rose