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Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain: Less Ox, More Snake
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Country: Canada
Alli isn't even comparable to Wilshere - they play significantly different roles.
Ali's first touch is not that great but he is a great athlete and is good at finding space. He is good but not as good as he is made out to be. Ox is someone that I have a lot of time for. He is physically one of the most gifted player with a great technical ability. I just think he hasn't found the right coach. May be if Arsène leaves this year, may be we will see someone who can bring out the best out of the kid and I believe the sky is the limit for him.
carlito'sway
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Oh lord.....The latest excuse is that he has not found the right coach.
I would guess that all the England managers were not right either for him.
billyf
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Not necessarily. Wenger likes to play Ramsey on the side, so there is a chance of him playing next to the DM.
Country: England
Football IQ >>>> everything else. It's why you can say that players like Iwobi have a chance of being world class but players like Ox (imo) don't.
That's the brilliant thing about football - it's for all shapes and sizes. No physical attributes required. Look at this weak, average paced, skinny guy who happens to be one of the best to ever play.
That's why it confuses me when his supporters admit he lacks on the intelligence side yet still claim he can be world class. I can't recall a WC player who's ever lacked footballing IQ...let's see if he's the first player ever to buck the trend.
That's the brilliant thing about football - it's for all shapes and sizes. No physical attributes required. Look at this weak, average paced, skinny guy who happens to be one of the best to ever play.
That's why it confuses me when his supporters admit he lacks on the intelligence side yet still claim he can be world class. I can't recall a WC player who's ever lacked footballing IQ...let's see if he's the first player ever to buck the trend.
Fallout
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unfortunately most of our young british talent were better players at the start of their careers than they are now. ox ramsey and wilshere were sooo good at individual stages. its crazy to see where they are now.
theos the only one i can say whos improving slightly with time, but lets be honest he hasnt really lived up to that 140k contract and shouldnt be in the starting 11 of a title winner.
i hope ox can push on and have a big second half of the season. at least hes added some end product to his game now, so thats something.
theos the only one i can say whos improving slightly with time, but lets be honest he hasnt really lived up to that 140k contract and shouldnt be in the starting 11 of a title winner.
i hope ox can push on and have a big second half of the season. at least hes added some end product to his game now, so thats something.
Rocky
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I presume you are being sarcastic
Then I saw the text on your avi
I'm not aware of having any control of the avatar text. A moderator did it to take the mick. As you can see from my signature, it isn't true.
I'm not sure Ronaldo (CR7) or Maradona are exactly footballing geniuses either. They're players who made their names on physical ability, natural flair, and dedication, which can be good enough imo.
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Except we are talking about HIS football skillset and Arsenal gave him a contract as they thought it was a good plan .
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When Ronaldo was developing in England he was accused of having no end product to speak off , actually Reyes was rated higher for a period ,how that changed . hows what can be done if you work hard enough .
Diego on the other hand is the greatest 10 the World has seen and he was coked up half the time .
Rocky
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Indeed.
But the analogy still applies to his football skills. Not much point having more tools than Alli if he doesn't have the brain/knowledge to use them effectively to have the required level of impact in the game of football. Indeed, he's a talent, it just feels like he might never be more than a squad player at Arsenal. The club have too many of those. Sp**s basically know their strongest 12 or 13 players and that could help them. Alli knows if his form dips he'll get more chances and he doesn't have to be impatient.
Jury
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What's Alli ever done at the highest level? Ox has done more, hasn't he? You couldn't even compare Alli to Ramsey as an international. Ramsey takes a huge steaming dump all over him. 
Country: Australia
Indeed.
Yeah definitely no guarantee but he is already making strides , think there could be a re rate by the end of the season .
skip spence
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I'm actually sure they are. There's ample evidence for it.
I'm not saying they have no footballing brains, I just wouldn't say they're anywhere near the top in that respect. Feel free to prove me wrong though, what's your evidence?
I dunno, calling Maradona, the guy that the people of Naples including the Mafia and the Argentinian worships, one of the top legends in football, does not have top footballing brains...
that is a very serious claim here...
I mean you could pick other flair players, but... why Maradona?
This was more of a " from the top of my head" pick, and probably not a great one. He's just always come off as a pretty dull bulb to me though, despite being a good player.
Ronaldo is the one I feel more strongly about as not being particularly "football intelligent". He's a hard-working top athlete that has played in many strong teams to provide him with good service, giving him plenty of chances at goal. I don't find however that he makes particularly smart decisions or that he works well with the team (ie being too selfish), which are components of "high footballing IQ".
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That might actually explain why he is greatest 10 in the world.
I am just curious, this is rare. @MaraDon would probably have a say about this tho
Ronaldo is a pretty good shout, tbh
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