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Slartibartfast

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Now this is just completely wrong. Don't know how you've come to this conclusion - maybe it was the international reporting on him, focusing on his bust up with Tuchel and then painting him as some against the flow hippie.

Mislintat is well known for using stats and data, but he's not using StatDNA, he's got his own company: Matchmetrics. But he's also very much relying on in person scouting by himself and a scouting network. "With the Lucas Torreira transfer, [...] data played a big role. Mislintat had been looking for a player of similar profile to Kanté and found the Sampdoria man. 19-year old Matteo Guendouzi from Lorient was found while scouting in person."

https://www.11freunde.de/artikel/warum-sven-mislintat-bei-arsenal-gehen-muss

"With Sanllehi and Mislintat two different cultures clashed: The Spaniard is a man of agents and networks, the German, albeit having a vast network, relies on scouting and analytics."

I didn't say Sven relies on StatDNA specifically, I said "like StatDNA" (in parentheses as an example familiar to most Arsenal fans). Although that said, since Arsenal owns StatDNA and the company's founders literally work out of Arsenal's offices now (and exclusively for the club), it's highly likely that Arsenal's head of recruitment had involvement with those guys during his time at the club. Nor did I say he doesn't do in-person scouting himself. The opposite, in fact. What I said was that he tends not to rely on a network of scouts, but prefers to do the work himself.

Here's what Charles Watts wrote about his departure in January:

Brought in to oversee the club’s vast scouting and recruitment network, the German has rarely held any sort of dialogue with the scouting team he is supposed to lead or engaged in any sort of feedback in terms of what has been submitted to him.

Behind the scenes he has earned the reputation of being somewhat of a lone wolf, someone who prefers to operate by himself and not someone who wants to work within a structured set-up.

An example of this is having been appointed in December 2017, he gathered the club’s recruitment network together just once - before the League Cup final against Manchester City at Wembley last season - with that remaining the only time he ever spoke personally to some of the scouts that he was supposed to oversee.

Football.London understands that there was also a view taken by many that Mislintat was happy to take credit for some transfers, even though the majority of work to get the player to north London had been undertaken by others.


Now maybe this is not true, but it's also not the only place I have read such things. So I see no reason to doubt it. It seems that Sven relies on analytics to identify prospects, then goes to see the ones who strike him as potential signings, largely ignoring input from Arsenal's scouts. I don't mean this as a knock on Sven (in fact, I preferred working this way in my own career, so I'm rather a brother-in-arms). It's just a simple statement of fact based on the reporting I've read. And it's not the way Sanllehi wants to operate. He wants a cooperative. Which way is right or wrong, you can decide for yourself. But Raul is the boss, so it makes sense he would prefer someone who will do it his way -- right or wrong.
 
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Slartibartfast

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I hope that's true about Campos. I mentioned him the other day. But it didn't seem as though he would be a candidate if what James Benge reported is true -- that Arsenal wants someone who either has a history with Emery or a history with the club. It seems to me as though Campos would be a perfect fit, but whether or not the Arsenal honchos agree or he would be interested in the job, I can't say.
 

scytheavatar

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Heard that Mislintat fellow is available.....

Except he is not available, he doesn't want to work under a Technical Director and yet he's a scout and not an executive. He works as a loan wolf and isn't the type who wants to work with others to sign players.
 

Jasard

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Don't like recruiting from within, we've had some utterly awful signings in recent years. Anyone involved in signing Mustafi should be exempt.
 

Toby

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Now maybe this is not true, but it's also not the only place I have read such things.

It is untrue and a made up narrative by english (speaking) media because they know and knew ****. End of. A lot of in depth reporting on backdoor operations are rather ****e anyway. A lot of it comes down to gossip almost - who's got the most intel.

Mislintat might be a bit eccentric as a character, but that's all. No where does the german media report about him not relying on in person scouting, scouting networks, being a pure data guy, or even a some sort of strident lone wolf. And they've known and written about him for years before english guys even knew his name - so I trust those sources.

He wants a cooperative.

I get a completely different vibe about what's going on at Arsenal with Sanllehi. Doesn't strike me as some sort of super cooperative guy who wanted Sven out because he's such a lone wolf not talking to other scouts...this looks like it's Raul's way or the highway. The Spaniard clearly instigated a power grab. Nothing about him or what he's done says "cooperative" to me. But you can really paint anything in a way you want to see it.
 

Toby

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Except he is not available, he doesn't want to work under a Technical Director and yet he's a scout and not an executive. He works as a loan wolf and isn't the type who wants to work with others to sign players.

Not a lone wolf, has worked cooperatively and very succesfully within the Dortmund setup for years, very close and on good terms with Klopp.

During his days as Head Scout he worked under a Technical Director/ DoF and CEO - Zorc and Watzke. Dortmund massively regretted he left: "I shouldn't have allowed a longterm employee to be treated this way", said Dortmund CEO Watzke about Mislintat and the Tuchel bust up. In a last bid attempt to get him, they promoted him to Technical Director, but he had already made up his mind.

Also, at Dortmund as Head Scout, he didn't just sit in front of his computer and watch data or games. He was an important pre game analyst for Klopp, and actually tasked with establishing a relationshsip with players and their entourages and to help get them to sign.

So why would he join Arsenal to become a mere Head Scout again? Head of Recruitment was never "Head Scout", it was a specialist assistant job to Raul tasked with scouting and recruiting, so definitely an executive job. And when Raul got promoted, Sven wanted that promotion, too, and it looks like it would have been the smoothest and best way to go, but Raul didn't like him.
 

scytheavatar

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Not a lone wolf, has worked cooperatively and very succesfully within the Dortmund setup for years, very close and on good terms with Klopp.

During his days as Head Scout he worked under a Technical Director/ DoF and CEO - Zorc and Watzke. Dortmund massively regretted he left: "I shouldn't have allowed a longterm employee to be treated this way", said Dortmund CEO Watzke about Mislintat and the Tuchel bust up. In a last bid attempt to get him, they promoted him to Technical Director, but he had already made up his mind.

Also, at Dortmund as Head Scout, he didn't just sit in front of his computer and watch data or games. He was an important pre game analyst for Klopp, and actually tasked with establishing a relationshsip with players and their entourages and to help get them to sign.

So why would he join Arsenal to become a mere Head Scout again? Head of Recruitment was never "Head Scout", it was a specialist assistant job to Raul tasked with scouting and recruiting, so definitely an executive job. And when Raul got promoted, Sven wanted that promotion, too, and it looks like it would have been the smoothest and best way to go, but Raul didn't like him.

Then why did he leave Dortmund? He was banished by Tuchel and the rest of the management decided he wasn't worth protecting despite their displeasure of Tuchel. Perhaps Sven simply isn't the type that can work in a structure and get on the same page as the other powermakers in the club?
 

Toby

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Then why did he leave Dortmund? He was banished by Tuchel and the rest of the management decided he wasn't worth protecting despite their displeasure of Tuchel. Perhaps Sven simply isn't the type that can work in a structure and get on the same page as the other powermakers in the club?

If he isn't abl to work in a structure, how did he last a decade at Dortmund in such a set structure?

The Dortmund CEO and DoF chose Tuchel's side at the time but have since regretted this and said it was a mistake:

https://www.sport.de/news/ne2985550/watzke-zu-mislintat-mein-persoenlicher-fehler/

Watzke: "Sven Mislintat's exit hurts. It was my personal mistake to let him get treated the way he did for one and a half years."
 

celestis

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Not a lone wolf, has worked cooperatively and very succesfully within the Dortmund setup for years, very close and on good terms with Klopp.

During his days as Head Scout he worked under a Technical Director/ DoF and CEO - Zorc and Watzke. Dortmund massively regretted he left: "I shouldn't have allowed a longterm employee to be treated this way", said Dortmund CEO Watzke about Mislintat and the Tuchel bust up. In a last bid attempt to get him, they promoted him to Technical Director, but he had already made up his mind.

Also, at Dortmund as Head Scout, he didn't just sit in front of his computer and watch data or games. He was an important pre game analyst for Klopp, and actually tasked with establishing a relationshsip with players and their entourages and to help get them to sign.

So why would he join Arsenal to become a mere Head Scout again? Head of Recruitment was never "Head Scout", it was a specialist assistant job to Raul tasked with scouting and recruiting, so definitely an executive job. And when Raul got promoted, Sven wanted that promotion, too, and it looks like it would have been the smoothest and best way to go, but Raul didn't like him.

He did half time analysis too . He's breadth of abilities is quite impressive.
 

Toby

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He did half time analysis too . He's breadth of abilities is quite impressive.

He was very much in an executive role and part of the Dortmund leadership. They had also promoted him into a Director role before he left for Arsenal and he was very much liked there.

The narrative that Sven Mislintat is just a mere Head Scout and some sort of weirdo, uncooperative lone wolf who would've been too incompetent to become Arsenal's proper Technical Director "'casue he was just a scout" is a made up narrative.
 

celestis

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He was very much in an executive role and part of the Dortmund leadership. They had also promoted him into a Director role before he left for Arsenal and he was very much liked there.

The narrative that Sven Mislintat is just a mere Head Scout and some sort of weirdo, uncooperative lone wolf who would've been too incompetent to become Arsenal's proper Technical Director "'casue he was just a scout" is a made up narrative.

Yeah I know.
 

isop

Active Member
I didn't say Sven relies on StatDNA specifically, I said "like StatDNA" (in parentheses as an example familiar to most Arsenal fans). Although that said, since Arsenal owns StatDNA and the company's founders literally work out of Arsenal's offices now (and exclusively for the club), it's highly likely that Arsenal's head of recruitment had involvement with those guys during his time at the club. Nor did I say he doesn't do in-person scouting himself. The opposite, in fact. What I said was that he tends not to rely on a network of scouts, but prefers to do the work himself.

Here's what Charles Watts wrote about his departure in January:

Brought in to oversee the club’s vast scouting and recruitment network, the German has rarely held any sort of dialogue with the scouting team he is supposed to lead or engaged in any sort of feedback in terms of what has been submitted to him.

Behind the scenes he has earned the reputation of being somewhat of a lone wolf, someone who prefers to operate by himself and not someone who wants to work within a structured set-up.

An example of this is having been appointed in December 2017, he gathered the club’s recruitment network together just once - before the League Cup final against Manchester City at Wembley last season - with that remaining the only time he ever spoke personally to some of the scouts that he was supposed to oversee.

Football.London understands that there was also a view taken by many that Mislintat was happy to take credit for some transfers, even though the majority of work to get the player to north London had been undertaken by others.


Now maybe this is not true, but it's also not the only place I have read such things. So I see no reason to doubt it. It seems that Sven relies on analytics to identify prospects, then goes to see the ones who strike him as potential signings, largely ignoring input from Arsenal's scouts. I don't mean this as a knock on Sven (in fact, I preferred working this way in my own career, so I'm rather a brother-in-arms). It's just a simple statement of fact based on the reporting I've read. And it's not the way Sanllehi wants to operate. He wants a cooperative. Which way is right or wrong, you can decide for yourself. But Raul is the boss, so it makes sense he would prefer someone who will do it his way -- right or wrong.

It looks like he also has his own team of scouts/analysts with his company in addition to Arsenal's own scouting network. Perhaps that's part of where the 'lone wolf' thing comes from.

DZ: How does this look like?

SM: My team and me look at two to three complete match days in a specific league, for example in Sweden. We create a portfolio with interesting names in it. Then we look at the Data and work on adetailed video. After that we travel there and watch games in person. In two to three weeks we have completed the whole league and have a list of players were continuing to watch.

https://www.docdroid.net/GLTsluH/sminterview.odt#page=3

It's a shame it didn't work out. Not irreplaceable obviously but still he's a big loss with his track record. I doubt it's because he can't work in a structure though as you say Toby, considering his time at Dortmund. Perhaps they wanted him to be more collaborative with the club's own scouts in addition to his own, perhaps the club could have given him the technical director role that it appears Gazidis promised him/gave him assurances over.
 
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Toby

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It looks like he also has his own team of scouts/analysts with his company in addition to Arsenal's own scouting network. Perhaps that's part of where the 'lone wolf' thing comes from.

Which wasn't too bad given how many talents the club's own scouting network failed to recognize or tap up with muppets like Grimandi employed.

I know Wenger said the club already knew every young player in Europe, and they probably really knew about 95 to 99% of them, but I had the feeling they consistently failed to evaluate them properly and then tap them up and make them interested in Arsenal. To quote Anthony Martial's agent: "In football there are those who follow players and those who buy them."
 

Slartibartfast

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It is untrue and a made up narrative by english (speaking) media because they know and knew ****. End of. A lot of in depth reporting on backdoor operations are rather ****e anyway. A lot of it comes down to gossip almost - who's got the most intel.

Mislintat might be a bit eccentric as a character, but that's all. No where does the german media report about him not relying on in person scouting, scouting networks, being a pure data guy, or even a some sort of strident lone wolf. And they've known and written about him for years before english guys even knew his name - so I trust those sources.



I get a completely different vibe about what's going on at Arsenal with Sanllehi. Doesn't strike me as some sort of super cooperative guy who wanted Sven out because he's such a lone wolf not talking to other scouts...this looks like it's Raul's way or the highway. The Spaniard clearly instigated a power grab. Nothing about him or what he's done says "cooperative" to me. But you can really paint anything in a way you want to see it.

Well, since I don't know Sven Mislintat, nor am I inside the club with access to what's going on, I can't say. All I know is what I have read. Now maybe they all had the same source and that source was lying, but at least half a dozen articles in some of the biggest mainstream papers plus ESPN said, basically, that Sanllehi wanted to rely on a network of scouts and contacts while Sven wanted to use a more analytic approach (favored by Gazidis).

Honestly, I don't really care whether it was that way or the way you say. Sven is gone. Sanllehi is the boss. Things are going to be run his way until Stan Kroenke decides otherwise or until he decides to move on like Gazidis did. I care about what happens on the pitch. If the club is successful, the inner soap opera doesn't matter.
 

Toby

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If the club is successful, the inner soap opera doesn't matter.

Speaking out of experience with Stuttgart: If there's an inner soap opera there won't be success.

On the other stuff: Can't blame you for believing your sources and thus trusting Sanllehi. I just don't and I have my reasons and sources for that.
 

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https://www.transfermarkt.de/romas-...a-weiter-zu-verfolgen-ldquo-/view/news/331984

"His plan B was to stick to Plan A"

[...] After his exit from Roma, Monchi accused President James Pallotta of being responsible for his failure at the Italian club and said they didn't work together enough - an accusation Pallotta is now rejecting.

"I was very surprised Monchi said he wanted to move into one direction and I into the other. I have to clarify one thing: It was clear to me where we'd oriented ourselves for the future. That's why we spent so much money on Monchi."

Monchi "had free hand with coaches, player transfers and staff."

Roma spent 70m on N'zonzi, Pastore and Kluivert - who couldn't convince yet. The complete spent on this season's transfers was 130m - a new club record. "If you look at results and performances, it's clear this didn't work", Pallotta evaluates Monchi's work for Roma.

"That's why I asked him for a Plan B. He said his Plan B was to keep on following Plan A. So when I read he said the club leadership's and his ideas were too different and that's why he left, I'd sincerely like to know: What would've Monchi made different then? We gave him complete control and now we have more injuries than ever before and are on the verge of missing Top 3 for the first time since 2014."
 
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