Who among Ramsey/Özil/Cazorla should be dropped?

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Who among Ramsey/Özil/Cazorla should be dropped?

  1. Özil

  2. Ramsey

  3. Cazorla

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  1. OSBK

    OSBK Well-Known Member

    Spot on.

    £100mill for lewond, i would even donate £20 to make that happen.

    cavani misses too many chances
     
  2. Rain Dance

    Rain Dance Well-Known Member Trusted

    Please tell me from your own deduction how did Ramsey fare, as from your own paragraph, he was ****.

    The WHOLE ****ing discussion is about Ramsey on the wings, YOU claimed Ramsey was and is a good winger. I presented links from the past supporting my views that he was ****.
    Please let's get back on topic, how and why you can be certain Ramsey should start as winger or anything else
    Gervinho, Giroud and Podolski rotated that main striker position in the first 6 games, semantically yes, he is our main striker from the start of the season
    False, if you did your research you would notice Cazorla/Gervinho started as the winger in most of those first 9 games with Ramsey either playing as CM or mostly as subtitution in the 70th minute.
    http://www.arsenal.com/fixtures/first-team/results?season=2012/13 check for yourself

    We started using 1 midfielder in our wings starting from Schalke loss in October, in narrow win against QPR and culminated in loss against Man U.
    We went back to 3 attackers with Giroud-Podolski-Theo and scored 10 goals in 3 matches including 5-2 vs Toothnumb (the other were 2-2 & 3-3 draws) but Theo got injured.
    Without Theo, in the next 6 matches we can only score 2 goals maximum

    do your own research after this....

    how about you do your research, instead of nitpicking about things that I forgot
    here is the match report, http://www.arsenal.com/match/report/1213/post/first-team/stoke-city-0-0-arsenal-match-report
    http://www.arsenal.com/match/report/1213/post/first-team/montpellier-1-2-arsenal-match-report
     
    Last edited: Aug 29, 2015
  3. Big Poppa

    Big Poppa Well-Known Member Trusted

    Bendtner, Welbeck, Eduardo, Chamakh, Podolski -strikers on the wing.

    Gervinho, Walcott, Reyes as a #9 - wingers as strikers.

    Ramsey, Diaby, Cazorla, Arshavin, Rosicky, Wilshere - CAM's on the wing.

    There is a pattern of negligence here and Ramsey is the latest victim.

    I don't know what it is with Wenger and wide players in particular but I fear he is to engrossed in his own work to realise that he's making something very simple more complicated than necessary.
     
  4. SiMamu

    SiMamu Part time Leeds fan

    Arshavin was played up front too.
     
  5. law90026

    law90026 Well-Known Member

    I'm just really hoping its a real injury to Özil and we are not keeping him out because there are thoughts of letting him leave...
     
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    Answer is clearly Cazorla imo.

    Ramsey's drive in the middle/off the ball running is absolutely crucial to us. He's also more of a goal-threat and offers more defensively.
     
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  7. Penn_

    Penn_ Established Member

    If it led to us getting a WC striker it'd be worth it, no.10s far easier to come by.
     
  8. Furious

    Furious Emery Hired, Telly Off

    Then you have to play Ramsey-Coq.. Not good enough, especially not in Europe. We need a playermaker in there, otherwise our transition won't be good enough.
     
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    They'll have Özil in front of them. Not sure what other choice we have?
     
  10. Maxim

    Maxim Well-Known Member

    I want to know why people think Ramsey and Coq isn't good enough.

    played with those two 4 times this season and last.

    West ham win last season, Lyon and Chelsea wins and the first half against West ham this season - Which wasn't even a bad performance considering how we've played since!
     
  11. Furious

    Furious Emery Hired, Telly Off

    Not sure either. I've lost hope with the midfielders we have, we should sign someone, otherwise our options for our midfield-2 are awfully unbalanced. I'm hoping Jack can do something about it, but it's doubtful with his injury problems.
     
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    Ramsey is a no-brainer imo.

    At the end of the day we're not signing another midfielder, which means picking 2 of Coq/Cazorla/Ramsey to play along with Özil.

    Coq-Cazorla is far too static - Ramsey is the only one of those 3 with any drive. Ramsey also combines well with Özil.
     
  13. Furious

    Furious Emery Hired, Telly Off

    I agree re. Ramsey, but he needs an(younger version) Arteta alongside, who allows him to make those deadly runs up and down the field.

    With Coq he'd have to do to much imo, both control and create the play from the deep, and make those runs.

    I really, really hope we sign a midfielder otherwise we're ****ed.
     
  14. say yes

    say yes To VAR

    Agreed. Schneiderlin would have been perfect but for some reason we didn't go that way.

    Reckon an older Arteta is still going to be very useful this year.
     
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  15. THunter

    THunter NOT In A Caravan Trusted

    Cazorla is not a CM, think it'll take a big loss at Chelsea to get him out of there.
     
  16. law90026

    law90026 Well-Known Member

    Which isn't going to happen is it? WC strikers are, apparently, impossible to get to move now so clubs are not going to be willing to let them go without a suitable replacement. Can't see a situation where there is a chain of events occurring where we get a WC striker but lose our WC AM.
     
  17. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    It crossed my mind but no way we'd sell our record signing now!

    Özil out and Gotze and Lewandowski in though I wouldn't say no to!
     
  18. Gooner n Proud

    Gooner n Proud a.k.a. nasri_8 and Voice of Flamini

    I've already posted on the last couple of pages why I support and understand the reasons why the manager retains him in that position, so maybe you need to go back and engage in some reading!

    Okay fair enough Arsène did shuffle the attack around in the first 6 or 7 games but the most common forward 3 was Ramsey-Gervinho-Podolksi which Arsène only broke up because of Diaby and eventually Gervinhos injury that season.

    Cazorla did not start one game for us on the wings in 2012 as he was perennially plated as a no.10 behind the striker. In the first 5 or 6 matches:
    Arteta-Diaby/Coquelin
    Cazorla

    After Diaby suffered an injury against Chelsea he put Ramsey back into midfield from a wide forward position resulting in:

    Arteta-Ramsey
    Chamberlain/Gervinho--Santi--Podolski
    Giroud

    A few games later Gervinho got injured and Wilshere recovered from 12 month lay off which lead to him going back into the side partnering Arteta. Arsène for a couple of games during this specific period played Ramsey out wide over Theo but soon realised the balance wasnt right, we were too static going forwards & Ramsey wasnt offering anything due to his lack of confidence so Wenger included Walcott in the team consistently for the first time of the campaign:

    Walcott------Giroud-------Podolski


     
  19. Bould14

    Bould14 Well-Known Member

    Wenger really wants to fit Ramsey into the team. Now he's a 10. Disaster.
     
  20. Hertz

    Hertz Active Member

    Crazy to think I voted Ramsey on this one. As season goes on I'm beginning to feel more it should be Cazorla. On the other hand if we are not signing anyone, we might as well play all three. I thought only two of them should start but the problem is not clear anymore.
     

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