Year of the Ox


1macca1 (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 9:10 am

I thought he was sensational yesterday. Basically, this thread is because I wanted a place to talk and read more views about Oxlade-Chamberlain without having to delve in to the dark dingy corners of A-M otherwise known as The Lobby.

I thought he was near flawless vs Man U; increased defensive work-rate and intensity, fantastic control, tidy in possession and passing (including some nice long switch balls), creative, but most of all he was dangerous and a nightmare for whoever he was up against.

In short, I'm interested in peoples views concerning where you think he is best right now (right or left wing?), what position you think he'll excel and enjoy the majority of his career in (out and out forward? Winger? AM? CM?) and how far up the footballing echelon can he reach? England and Arsenal saviour? Future EPL player of the season? wpoty nominations? Boy I can get ahead of myself can't I :)

I'm sure there will be a full compilation of yesterday's performance soon but not that I have found as yet, so here are a few short vids:

short compilation
link up with Ramsey
Owning Evra
Low shot, just misses
Assist
Subbed off, crowd reaction


P.S. I'm not the most creative so I'm open to suggestions for a new thread title and would be happy to change it.

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Glovegun (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 10:23 am

I think his performance was obviously the major plus of yesterday's game. Although I think Koscielny runs him a very close second.

He reminds me of Nani. Not in build, but the way that he's clearly very comfortable on either flank and has the capacity to take someone on round the outside and whip a cross in, or cut inside and shoot. I don't think I've ever seen one of his crosses hit the first man, he's got a wonderful ability to just dink a ball into the box no matter how tight a full-back gets to him. I didn't really realise until yesterday just how quick he is, and how strong. Really had the beating of both Evra and Rafael.

Don't want to go overboard on him but there's only three young players I've seen come through in this country like him. Rooney, Jack and Phil Jones. They just don't look remotely phased by any occasion. Way ahead of their years in terms of maturity.

Just how quickly he develops could be key to helping to persuade Robin to stay, because we currently lack another attacking player on Robin's wavelength (not really classing Jack as an attacking player).
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1macca1 (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 10:27 am

Thankfully he's not an utter **** like Nani though.
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Kroket (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 10:28 am

I've no idea where he'll end up to be honest, from what I've seen of him he has the tools to pretty much succeed in any position he wants. I always thought he was more suited to a role on the outside but he looks equally comfortable in the middle. For now, he should play as close to goal as possible as he's definitely one of our most unpredictable, creative players. Also, I like how well he linked up with some of our more senior players, especially Robin and Rosicky seemed to enjoy playing with him. Amazing ability and intelligence for a player his age.
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regele (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 11:38 am

BREAKING NEWS!

Even though Arsenal manager Arsène Wenger said that Oxlade Chamberlain was 'sick in the week' and 'had started to fatigue' here is a shocking photograph taken by one of the Arsenal fans minutes after Oxlade had been substituted, shown exclusively by Sky Sports.

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When faced with this evidence, Arsène Wenger said that after the game last night had ended, he made 50.000 more substitutions, thus taking him to a grand total of 100.000 substitutions; but still did not feel the need to explain this particular one.
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ArsenalDNA (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 11:55 am

Can't believe Wenger was trying to smooth things over by saying he should be congratulated for starting him in the first place. If anything he should be slammed at how long it's taken him to play AOC.

Everyone knew he was ready. Everyone could see that he was ready. If that's what he was doing against the second best team in the comp what would he have done against Wolves, Fulham or Swansea?

He doesn't seem to have any obvious weaknesses to his game. Even defensively he was harassing Evra and Nani quite a bit.

I can't wait to see more of him. Especially with Wilshere and Arteta back in the team.
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Spork (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 11:56 am

Some people say that Chuck Norris and the Stig made love, gave birth, and were extremely disappointed to find out that their love child is no where near as awesome as Chambo.

Might as well write off every player trophy for the next thirty years, because Alex is going to win them all.

In all seriousness though, he does look promising but I would prefer that Wenger took too long to bring him into the team rather than rushing him in and possibly messing up his future.
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ferrarif50hunt (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:03 pm

Would it be absurd to suggest that he reminds a little bit of Hulk from Porto?

Stocky lad, good strength, very quick, direct, skillful, thunderbolt of a shot etc...

There's certainly some comparisons imo.
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goonerwarsh (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:15 pm

I stand by my statement in that he is better than Walcott, Gervinho and Arshavin.

He's just a better player. He can pass, shoot and take players on and he's quick and strong. He has all the natural attributes to be a great player in the premiership. The other three I mentioned or all average players capable of good moments but will only produce those intermittently. Arshavin used to be grade A but unfortunately for us that was about two years ago.

I hope he continues to work hard, keeps his feet on the ground and gradually cements his place in the team.

His first touch to control the ball from Rosicky's pass that led to the goal yesterday was sublime.
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ArsenalDNA (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:26 pm

goonerwarsh wrote:I stand by my statement in that he is better than Walcott, Gervinho and Arshavin.

He's just a better player. He can pass, shoot and take players on and he's quick and strong. He has all the natural attributes to be a great player in the premiership. The other three I mentioned or all average players capable of good moments but will only produce those intermittently. Arshavin used to be grade A but unfortunately for us that was about two years ago.

I hope he continues to work hard, keeps his feet on the ground and gradually cements his place in the team.

His first touch to control the ball from Rosicky's pass that led to the goal yesterday was sublime.


Easily i'd say.

He has Walcott's pace, Gervinho's dribbling and Arshavin's creativity.

He should really have finished with two assists after that ball he gave to Ramsey inside the box.
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celestis (Global Moderator) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:27 pm

Bit mixed about this thread , I thought he was a awesome talent after 4 touches at Man United . I knew he was special when he made Zabaleta look ordinary . How many others have done that this season ?

At the same time don't want to jinx him by putting him on a pedestal so its the last time I post on this thread .
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celestis (Global Moderator) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:29 pm

goonerwarsh wrote:I stand by my statement in that he is better than Walcott, Gervinho and Arshavin.

He's just a better player. He can pass, shoot and take players on and he's quick and strong. He has all the natural attributes to be a great player in the premiership. The other three I mentioned or all average players capable of good moments but will only produce those intermittently. Arshavin used to be grade A but unfortunately for us that was about two years ago.

I hope he continues to work hard, keeps his feet on the ground and gradually cements his place in the team.

His first touch to control the ball from Rosicky's pass that led to the goal yesterday was sublime.


He was , he really was .
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Cruisio (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:29 pm

Oh he'll be great....

And then we'll most likely sell him
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outlaw_member (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:43 pm

Phenomenal talent, but people need to be wary. We should have learned from Wilshere and Fabregas's respective introductions into the first team fold. Take it easy!
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yousif_arsenal (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:44 pm

well if he love the club like wilshere and frimpong he will not gonna leave.

his skills are amazing his pace too but i hope the media not overrate him, Lolcott when he come at arsenal he was the same as Ox but then he start losing his skills. i hope from Ox foucs at his football and keep working and not hear the media.
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Dokaka (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:55 pm

He reminds me a bit of Hulk from Porto, but with the ability to use both legs.

Brilliant player in the making, no doubt. His pass to RVP yesterday made me think that he'd be a great SS.
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celestis (Global Moderator) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:56 pm

outlaw_member wrote:Phenomenal talent, but people need to be wary. We should have learned from Wilshere and Fabregas's respective introductions into the first team fold. Take it easy!


I'm in this camp and I know its not a popular opinion but I feel so is Wenger . So far to go . Kid gloves and all that .
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celestis (Global Moderator) on January 23rd, 2012, 12:59 pm

Dokaka wrote:He reminds me a bit of Hulk from Porto, but with the ability to use both legs.

Brilliant player in the making, no doubt. His pass to RVP yesterday made me think that he'd be a great SS.


Thats what I think as well being a great SS . Theres another kid coming through thats also really talented in imo . Wellington a bit lost at the moment but worth being patient with .
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Glovegun (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 1:12 pm

If he's good enough he's old enough, same as Cesc and Jack. He's definitely in that bracket in terms of his attitude and mentality. We've had plenty of talented kids at the club in the past but none bar the two I've just mentioned look as confident and assured as this kid.

Quite simply we lack top quality going forward, and he's the best we have bar Robin. I wish we didn't have to start him regularly to make fourth spot, but I think we're going to have to.
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halfvolley (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 1:13 pm

He's just awesome to watch. His performance actually went a long way to lift my mood yesterday as I was mulling over the game.

His pace is fantastic.
It was awesome seeing him pelting after that ball and nearly beating Rafael to it.

His strenght is fantastic.
I specifically remember him getting the ball at one point and holding off two United players with his arms while protecting the ball and then producing a nice pass at the end of it.

His skills are fantastic.
I loved how he mugged Evra off on the right flank down by the touchline and broke into the box. Almost resulted in a goal.

His passing is fantastic.
The way he set RVP up for the goal was absolute class.

His workrate is fantastic.
Really put a shift in which is more than you can say of most of our players yesterday.

He looks the real deal - there is no doubt about it. Hopefully we get to see him starting for Walcott this spring. Chambo on one wing and Gervinho on the other with RVP in the middle should produce a healthy amount of goals.
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FunGun (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 1:14 pm

Ox is a grafter, humble (at the moment) and has great ability, these combined should make him World class one day.
He was quoted:
'Overall I was happy with my performance and happy to contribute to Robin's goal. It was positive for me and mentally it puts you in a good position.

'That can always change in football though - you can have one good game and the next game is a bad one. You've got to deal with the highs and the lows.'

Love his attitude. I just hope he doesn't do what a lot of players seem to do which is that they play great when they first arrive (Chamakh, Arshavin) then seem to lose their way totally. I don't know why, bad attitude creeps in, bad training habits, poor coaching? Who knows?
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scytheavatar (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 1:23 pm

Glovegun wrote:If he's good enough he's old enough, same as Cesc and Jack. He's definitely in that bracket in terms of his attitude and mentality. We've had plenty of talented kids at the club in the past but none bar the two I've just mentioned look as confident and assured as this kid.

Quite simply we lack top quality going forward, and he's the best we have bar Robin. I wish we didn't have to start him regularly to make fourth spot, but I think we're going to have to.


Have people forgotten the poor performances Chamberlain had early in the season? I don't think anyone here doubt that he's a good talent even back when he's still at Southampton, but I would really hesitate to suggest starting him regularly anytime soon. My feeling is that he's still at least half a season away from reaching the level where he will be performing consistently.

outlaw_member (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 1:27 pm

I love his strength more than anything. You don't usually associate power with someone who is speedy, skilful and technically complete.

It's so sad that Wilshere is out injured and Ramsey is lacking technically, because along with Oxlade, we've got a great axis for the future.
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FunGun (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 1:27 pm

scytheavatar wrote:
Glovegun wrote:If he's good enough he's old enough, same as Cesc and Jack. He's definitely in that bracket in terms of his attitude and mentality. We've had plenty of talented kids at the club in the past but none bar the two I've just mentioned look as confident and assured as this kid.

Quite simply we lack top quality going forward, and he's the best we have bar Robin. I wish we didn't have to start him regularly to make fourth spot, but I think we're going to have to.


Have people forgotten the poor performances Chamberlain had early in the season? I don't think anyone here doubt that he's a good talent even back when he's still at Southampton, but I would really hesitate to suggest starting him regularly anytime soon. My feeling is that he's still at least half a season away from reaching the level where he will be performing consistently.

I don't think we have a choice.
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eye4goal (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 1:48 pm

Dokaka wrote:He reminds me a bit of Hulk from Porto, but with the ability to use both legs.

Brilliant player in the making, no doubt. His pass to RVP yesterday made me think that he'd be a great SS.


I think so too. Ramsey's shooting has been a huge let-down, he's not even hitting the target. The OX looks deadly from in and around the box and I'd like to see him there in the last 20-30 mins of games. Playing at SS would allow him to interchange with RVP too. United CBs were pushing upto the halfway line at times because we didnt didnt have pace at CF or SS to worry them
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goonerwarsh (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 1:50 pm

scytheavatar wrote:
Glovegun wrote:If he's good enough he's old enough, same as Cesc and Jack. He's definitely in that bracket in terms of his attitude and mentality. We've had plenty of talented kids at the club in the past but none bar the two I've just mentioned look as confident and assured as this kid.

Quite simply we lack top quality going forward, and he's the best we have bar Robin. I wish we didn't have to start him regularly to make fourth spot, but I think we're going to have to.


Have people forgotten the poor performances Chamberlain had early in the season? I don't think anyone here doubt that he's a good talent even back when he's still at Southampton, but I would really hesitate to suggest starting him regularly anytime soon. My feeling is that he's still at least half a season away from reaching the level where he will be performing consistently.


I haven't forgotten tham because I haven't seen them. Sure he hasn't performed to the level that he did yesterday but i've yet to see him play 'poorly' in the relatively short amount of game time he has had. I've seen him bang in a couple of nice goals though.

I can spend all day telling you about the poor performances of Walcott, Gervinho, Arshavin and Ramsey. Poor performances aren't always related to age. This boy has shown enough in the chances he's been given to warrant a place in the team because the other players in his place are simply not performing or motivated to perform whether they're experienced internationals or not.
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error_prone (Forum Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 2:17 pm

I dont think oxlade will replace walcott this season. wenger wants walcott to sign a new contract, and droping him on the bench for teenager will not help that.
and what are you talking about walcott lost his skills? he never had skills, he's playing same football with no progress for years, the only diference is he had better players around him for last 5 years. walcott should be only used as an impact sub in some games for 40-50 k /week

ebouenolike (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 4:19 pm

I absolutely love him, and I was over the moon when we signed him. Chuffed to see him stepping up.
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Floating (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 4:44 pm

Phenomenal talent. He still has a way to go though - he's still a bit naive off the ball, but he's 18. If he kicks on after his performance yesterday, he deserves to start over Theo when Gervinho gets back. Now that's a dangerous front 3.
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Illusion (Trusted Member) on January 23rd, 2012, 4:55 pm

Ox certainly needs a big chance in this team to show his quality, what he doesn't need is to have all our hope lumped on his rather broad shoulders because our team is in such poor shape in so many ways.

We need his desire, passion, determination and emerging quality to help our team right now, the problem is we need it a little too much.

It's not right that a promising young 18 year old is outplaying most of our seasoned internationals so easily.

Playing Ox is important, but he needs to not come into a team where he is the one who's looked upon to save us, because everyone else is failing around him. This is what happened to Cesc, it was an unfair burden to put on him and we certainly shouldn't start putting it on Ox.

This team needs to improve so that when a player with great potential and talent like Ox comes into it, he is given a platform where he can excel, amongst players he can aspire to be like. So that he is yet another future weapon we can employ to give us yet another option in what should be a daunting and powerful attacking line up.

Ox needs games, he needs to be coming on with 20 minutes to go more frequently, but he also needs to know that he's got to work incredibly hard to break into the team, not just because Wenger is holding him back artificially (he obviously is), but because he's having to try and take the place of a superior and more experienced player.

Right now the more Ox comes on and shows little bursts of quality, the more the fans are going to want to see of him, because our current first team players just don't deliver anything like what he does. Wenger needs to rectify that, he doesn't need to focus that much on Ox, more on the first team players who aren't delivering the level of quality and consistency they should be providing for their handsome wages.
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