Gervinho's role

Premier League

Completed dribbles per game

Gervinho 1.4, Walcott 1.

Key passes per game

Gervinho 1.3, Walcott 1.2.

Dispossessed per game

Gervinho 1.8, Walcott 1.9

Turnovers per game

Gervinho 1.5, Walcott 2.3

So Gervinho beats more players, makes more key passes, gets tackled less and gives the ball away less.

Source : whoscored

At the moment i'd be more inclined with wingers capable of creating their own stuff, and Gervinho certainly tries to do more of that than Theo. With a decent run in the team Gerv's efforts could translate in chance creation, while our midfield focuses on not bending over in counters and help the defence to not concede so many silly goals.

Purely subjective bs. Trying to take your man on and occasionally stumbling past him doesn't get any marks in my book.

Gervinho had the second highest amount of sucessful dribbles in the squad last season (altough he only started 19 games compared to Theos 32).

I too would win the lottery if I bought 14 million lottery tickets. Any statistics on successful dribbles %?

Premier League

Completed dribbles per game

Gervinho 1.4, Walcott 1.

Key passes per game

Gervinho 1.3, Walcott 1.2.

Dispossessed per game

Gervinho 1.8, Walcott 1.9

Turnovers per game

Gervinho 1.5, Walcott 2.3

So Gervinho beats more players, makes more key passes, gets tackled less and gives the ball away less.

Source : whoscored

Comparing him to Walcott using a website with faulty maths. Cool.

You know Whoscored.com don't average out their "totals" properly? They give equal weighting to the European and Domestic "total" without giving weighting based on the amount of games played in each competition. So effectively, competitions with fewer games have more influence on the total.

Yeah, not gonna use their stats til they sort that out.

Those numbers are just the League numbers I think, not the combined ones.

Of course I am. The only reason I am so confident is because I doubt the evidence is there. However, if you show me it, I'd be a fool not to consider it and consider changing my opinion.

*evidence shown*

Comparing him to Walcott using a website with faulty maths. Cool.

You know Whoscored.com don't average out their "totals" properly? They give equal weighting to the European and Domestic "total" without giving weighting based on the amount of games played in each competition. So effectively, competitions with fewer games have more influence on the total.

Yeah, not gonna use their stats til they sort that out.

I mean, really...

Bah, you don't require statistics to realise that Gervinho is superior than Walcott at the the approach play. They're both similarly one-dimensional in that the Walcott is weak at the approach play but is good at completing attacks, whilst Gervinho's case is exactly the opposite. If we could somehow morph the two players then we'd be getting somewhere, but at this stage, they're both heavily flawed. I thought it was sad that in our game against WBA, I had to somehow convince myself into feeling more secure when Walcott was being brought onto the pitch. I mean, usually you gain confidence when one of your better players is being brought on, and it was hilarious that I had to convince myself into feeling that way, given that he was our second best attacker, after all. Needless to say, he came on and instead proceeded to place the team under heavy pressure by constantly losing the ball.

Of course I am. The only reason I am so confident is because I doubt the evidence is there. However, if you show me it, I'd be a fool not to consider it and consider changing my opinion.

*evidence shown*

Comparing him to Walcott using a website with faulty maths. Cool.

You know Whoscored.com don't average out their "totals" properly? They give equal weighting to the European and Domestic "total" without giving weighting based on the amount of games played in each competition. So effectively, competitions with fewer games have more influence on the total.

Yeah, not gonna use their stats til they sort that out.

I mean, really...

What? So you think I should just accept any old evidence simply because it agrees with what he thinks?

I mean, really...

I've said before on a few occasions I don't rate whoscored.com, and will continue not to rate whoscored.com until they sort out their maths. How can you take a stat seriously if they don't work out their averages properly?

If they don't sort out their averages then the totals are wildly inaccurate and misleading. Please let me know when they make the change, because it looks like it could be a brilliant site otherwise.

In terms of the comparison to Walcott...really? Walcott? Why are we comparing the two?

Walcott is a player who is a poor winger, I have stated before that Gerboue is a better winger than Walcott at the moment both in our system and in general.

Walcott, however, is a far more effective player if both are in their best positions, and lacks a lot of the frustrating poor technique of the Ivorian. Also think Walcott has a much better attitude, but that's more subjective.

I don't really care for neither. Both are **** and we aren't going to win a trophy with them as starters.

For what it's worth, the averages for Theo and Gervinho are both spot on, don't let that stop you though.

I don't spend my life checking to see if whoscored.com bothered to correct their maths.

If they have then good, because as I said before it should be a good resource for information.

EDIT: Just checked the site, it is still wrong. Don't let that stop you though

Purely subjective bs. Trying to take your man on and occasionally stumbling past him doesn't get any marks in my book.

If you're talking about actual creativity, then both are below par.

Anyway, I mentioned the midfield, and with the addition of Kagawa and M'Vila, we could certainly play with three goalscoring forwards.

He was beating his marker constantly pre-ACN, your are blinded by his post ACN poor form.

Nope, go back and read the same criticisms of his inept play pre-ACN. I've commented on the post-ACN myth many times and all I read from people is "oh but you're blind".

Yeah, ok. Prove me wrong?

So, basically you're saying you don't see the difference between pre and post ACN Gervinho?

I don't need to prove you wrong, my opinion isn't even based on stats and you're clearly not going to change yours so what's the point, even stats thrown in your way are disregarded because the source is dubious. Talking about judging before knowing eh?

So, basically you're saying you don't see the difference between pre and post ACN Gervinho?

I don't need to prove you wrong, my opinion isn't even based on stats and you're clearly not going to change yours so what's the point, even stats thrown in your way are disregarded because the source is dubious. Talking about judging before knowing eh?

Seriously? Why is this considered a problem?

My argument isn't particularly based on stats either, but I was given stats as a counter to my argument from a site who has poor maths, and continues to work its averages out incorrectly. It does look pretty, though, so let's just pretend everything is accurate for an easy life

I don't see anything wrong with Theo vs Gerv stat. Comparison is irrelevant thou they're different in style, they haven't played the same amount football etc. It just goes to show you, you have a lot of candidates to criticise and I just can't understand why exactly are you trying so vehemently to downplay Gervinho.

@Beksl

An example.

Look at Theo's shots per game stat on his page.

Premier league: 32 (3) games, 2.2 shots per game.
Champion's League: 6 games, 1.2 shots per game.
Fa Cup: 1 (2) games, n/a

Now, assuming that the average is worked out on every appearance, then he has had 35*2.2=77 shots in the premier league, 6*1.2=7 shots in the champion's league and 0*3=0 in the Fa Cup, in 44 appearances.

Assuming Whoscored.com got those above stats right, then Theo's total shots per game should be 1.9.

84/44=1.9

Whoscored.com has shown the total to be 1.7.

If the individual competitions sub-totals are correct, then the total isn't. They can't all be correct.

I am assuming they have simply added 1.2 (CL average) to 2.2(EPL average) and halved the total, ignoring the N/A for the FA Cup - schoolboy stuff if true.

Assuming they're including international performances, then the total should be 1.8

Now, In reply to your point about trying vehemently to downplay Gerboue: He is getting no worse treatment from me than any other under performing players in this team. I've been equally as scathing of Squillaci and Failmunia in the past, but to no real resistance - the difference is the sheer number of Gerboue sympathists who are extremely eager to defend him. Who knows why.

You see, here lies the core of the problem, I wouldn't put Gerv in the Squid/ Almunia bracket whereas you obviously do.

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I don't think Mark does, tbf. He simply uses an example of two players he's slaughtered before.

Squid and Al can only be described as cancerous, whereas the level of Marks critique of Gerv has him at roundabout, say, Thrush.

I don't think Mark does, tbf. He simply uses an example of two players he's slaughtered before.

Squid and Al can only be described as cancerous, whereas the level of Marks critique of Gerv has him at roundabout, say, Thrush.

You've got this metaphor lark down to a fine art.

Gervinho is the best option that we have at the moment, even though he still has a lot of improvement works to be done.

We have lose our left flank power after Nasri departed. We were at once famous with our strong left winger by Overmars, Pires, Reyes and the latest was Nasri. We have almost got Arshavin as our strong replacement, but his high-performance were only last for a couple of months.

I don't think Mark does, tbf. He simply uses an example of two players he's slaughtered before.

Squid and Al can only be described as cancerous, whereas the level of Marks critique of Gerv has him at roundabout, say, Thrush.

I was thinking more like piles.
Irritating, frustrating and sometimes a pain in the backside.

Gervinho is the best option that we have at the moment, even though he still has a lot of improvement works to be done.

We have lose our left flank power after Nasri departed. We were at once famous with our strong left winger by Overmars, Pires, Reyes and the latest was Nasri. We have almost got Arshavin as our strong replacement, but his high-performance were only last for a couple of months.

Except Nasri had all his best games down the right.

Gervinho needs to develop his off-ball running. He seems keep being involved in the build-up too much and dwelled on the ball too long. Instilling a pattern of Pires-like movement and goal instincts will do the Ivorian good.

gervinho will only ever be a decent player for us, imo. typical player we sign these days - the budget player if you like. at lille there was hazard and gervinho, we signed gervinho while the big boys will sign hazard. this is why we cannot close the clap between us and the top teams.

Gervinho is only 24yo? I thought he was older, dunno why...
Well if that's the case, we should wait a bit longer for him. He can dribble with ease, and that's always great quality. And at this moment in time that's all I'm going to say about him. Let's see if he, still young player, improves in time.
Same goes for Walcott. If used properly, Walcott is amazing "weapon" ANY team will struggle to defend against.
Just imagine us having him and Ox, very pacey wingers, torturing every team with ever-existing threath of dangerously fast counter attack.

Gervinho needs to develop his off-ball running. He seems keep being involved in the build-up too much and dwelled on the ball too long. Instilling a pattern of Pires-like movement and goal instincts will do the Ivorian good.

He has great off the ball running I feel not recently though . That is partly because midfielders especially Song have stopped looking for his runs , I guess they think what's the use if he is going to miss .

Gervinho needs to develop his off-ball running. He seems keep being involved in the build-up too much and dwelled on the ball too long. Instilling a pattern of Pires-like movement and goal instincts will do the Ivorian good.

This is possibly one of the best attributes he has. I swear people don't actually watch this guy play, and then comment on what they think he should be good at.

Yup go as far as to say off the ball running would be one of the best in the PL for a winger , hence the many missed one on one's .

Yeah, just insert the Pires disc (£39.99 from all good stockists). Job done!

As said, Gervs strong points are his movement and availability.

His movement is fantastic, as is his willingness to dribble AT players (rather than past them a la Theo) is very valuable. Oxlade does this too. Gervinho can create a whole lot of chaos in the opponents' box - it's down to him and the rest of the team to figure out how capitalize on this.

I like Gervinho. He's leggy and that can help once inside the box, but he's gotta learn what to do once inside the box. As far as Walcott goes, he's a striker. That's why he's poor sometimes on the wing. Thing is, he's too small too be a lone striker.

I'd happily have us sign another winger and stick Theo upfront, but that means a change of formation, and I can't see us doin' that any time soon!