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Rules:

In this thread you can suggest various topics you want to debate on

Only two can debate one topic at a time.

The topics are free to choose. Post them in this thread.
e.g. "Is the Barclay's Premier League stronger than ever?"

or "Is Theo Walcott worth keeping?"

The poster of the topic that was chosen, is allowed to either selct his opponent himself if he wishes to, or pass the decision on to the mods who should pick the opponent free of bias.

Two different point of views are required in order to have a constructive debate.


Another thread will be created in which the debate will take place.

Each debater will have 5 responses maximum to get his point across and to show up flaws in the opponents reasoning and argumentation. If less posts are needed by one, the opponent still has the right to make use of his entire 5 posts.

One post may not exceed 3000 letters/figures (excluding blanks).

Afterwards the mods should add a poll, in order that the other members of the main forum can decide on whetether debater one or debater two won.


The winner is awarded 2 points. The loser will be deducted a point. (Negative Count possible)



- Topics will be selcted through suggestions

- Poster of the chosen topic either choses his opponent or gets one chosen for him

- 5 post maximum (less is allowed); 2000 letters/figures each maximum

- Polls will decide the winner

- 2 points for the winner, -1 point for the loser




there may be minor adjustments to the format, if needed.

my topic would be

"4-3-3 or 4-4-2?"

Has potential. Would never happen.

(4-3-3 btw)

Has potential. Would never happen.

(4-3-3 btw)

if it "really" will never happen, you could be my first and only opponent since i think 4-4-2 is the way to go. debate it out and let the forum decide.

but i rather shall wait and see

Tbh I didn't really understand the rules but 4-3-3 for me

you can suggest your own topics you want to debate. the formation one was a topic I, myself would like to debate

Should topics be only Arsenal related?

topics are free to choose. if you don't find anyone who's willing to join in, your topic eliminates itself.

It's all good, Djibril, and I wish you and participant's luck and fun with it.

Not really my call, but I just don't see why this is Arsenal Talk. I saw there's a whole section for different stuff of that nature, and I know some people are really keen on stuff like that.

BTW, (as I did bother to respect your effort with a decent attempt to follow ) , seems to me not only amount of posts should be limited, but also some length barrier (can't make a 7 page post, bring a new bill of rights as your basis, etc.).

Good luck with it, wherever it ends.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Yep, 4-3-3.

Fun idea. Not entirely sure of the rules but I'll have a go.

4-4-2 or 4-3-3 obviously depends a lot on the kind of players you have. These days 4-3-3 seems to dominate, as the extra man in midfield makes a real difference. I find it interesting how even a good team like United can't make a 4-4-2 work this season, as their midfield is virtually non-existent, shows how much it really depends on trends at the time.

For aesthetic purposes however, I might say 4-4-2 as it tends to be more fast and direct, and I love seeing good wingers.

4-3-3 suits more the current squad.

I want to debate Outie over the merits of signing Götze.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Definitely the chicken.

It's all good, Djibril, and I wish you and participant's luck and fun with it.

Not really my call, but I just don't see why this is Arsenal Talk. I saw there's a whole section for different stuff of that nature, and I know some people are really keen on stuff like that.

BTW, (as I did bother to respect your effort with a decent attempt to follow ) , seems to me not only amount of posts should be limited, but also some length barrier (can't make a 7 page post, bring a new bill of rights as your basis, etc.).

Good luck with it, wherever it ends.

I really hope that this thread won't be moved somewhere else (mods listen up) because i feel that on one hand MOST topics are directly Arsenal related since that's the stuff we talk about on here the most and therefore i wouldn't debate over my dissertation about foreign investors and subsidies the government provides to them with let's say SiMamu.

and on the other hand it will receive the greatest attention here because the lobby members tend to browse through the "arsenal talk" as well.

topic wise it shouldn't stray off too much like reasoning about famous quotes like "to be or not to be" and such.

we discuss things on a daily basis in every thread there is, but i want to isolate a debate(2people instead of the entire forum) and encourage people to think a whole lot more about what they think and why they do so about for example our young guns or formations or whatever instead of posting ONE indepth post and be responded to by trolls wums and nonsense posters.


thank's for the advice, will defo include that!

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

please keep me blocked, i'm quite fed up with your attitude

Yep, 4-3-3.

would you provide evidence and explain your way of thought in a debate which most likely will rip you're arguments apart publicly (if you're up against me)?

it's one on one. this is not your "regular" posting. this will be a debate.

Fun idea. Not entirely sure of the rules but I'll have a go.

4-4-2 or 4-3-3 obviously depends a lot on the kind of players you have. These days 4-3-3 seems to dominate, as the extra man in midfield makes a real difference. I find it interesting how even a good team like United can't make a 4-4-2 work this season, as their midfield is virtually non-existent, shows how much it really depends on trends at the time.

For aesthetic purposes however, I might say 4-4-2 as it tends to be more fast and direct, and I love seeing good wingers.

it seems as if most of you pick up on my formation suggestion. you can really suggest other topics as well. my advice is, pick something you know inside out and then go for it.

if you want to debate on that(formations) you've already got ibby, kalleTheMan,Yaya and SomGooner and me lined up. but it seems as if i'm the only one going for the 4-4-2.

let's see if other members want to get involved as well and decide on the two debaters later.

4-3-3 suits more the current squad.

as i've mentioned before, i'd be happy to prove you wrong but let's wait and see if there's anyone else who's in the 4-4-2 camp before i "appoint" myself as the first debater


if you have other topic suggestions as well feel free to share them with the forum. i'm sure absolutely every topic concerning the arsenal will have at LEAST 2 people interested in it.

I want to debate Outie over the merits of signing Götze.

congratz, you've got it.

that's the point. now ask outlaw if she wants to debate over that topic. if he/she agrees we've got our first debate in line.

please let me know if you guys agreed on that. i'll explain the procedure to both of you again.

What came first, the chicken or the egg?

Definitely the chicken.

neither the first nor the latter. ask your don

Rules have been updated, if you still don't understand the format/idea i'll be more than happy to explain it again.

I don't really see a point in a one-vs-one debate, other than someone wanting bragging rights and wanting to show off.

As I said, D - it's really not up to me, and seems the mods are on your side, so - no worries. However, I do feel this belongs elsewhere.

I really hope that this thread won't be moved ... because MOST topics are directly Arsenal related

If it's arsenal talk, it belongs here. But then why not make a thread for each debate topic (if the topic is worthy for all)? The idea that

i want to isolate a debate(2 people instead of the entire forum) and encourage people to think a whole lot more about what they think and why they do so

may have good intentions, but quite frankly, I think there's something nice about people choosing if they want to contribute and just how much. That doesn't exclude the idea there's also something nice about popping in out of interest in a specific two concentrating their efforts - as I said, it does have it's merits. Only it looks like "a game", a competition for the sake of competition (not "a method for upping the quality of an arsenal debate", as one may be reading your suggestion to be) rather than a regular debate.

I could think of an answer on your behalf, something like: "empirically (experience shows) two people concentrating their efforts on arsenal affairs would bring us all a better quality of a debate, and so we're all happy" (that, I think, is something you actually say in slightly different context, but same meaning). That's true, actually, but - beside the "let it happen spontaneously" - respect people (and their choice) earlier point, I think you'd find that even spontaneously this actually happens - and not so rarely: when a subject is good, close to the heart of arsenal fans, and particularly ones with a specific interest, such debates (minus the drama, judges, bla bla artifact/edifice) do happen in regular threads. Nothing wrong with any of that - just seems to put it under a different category.

Now - hate me if you want, but in effect I've participated in your little scheme here (you against me debate, "Does this belong here"), and while being entirely on topic this was completely unrelated to Arsenal affairs...
(and bonus - see why posts should be limited in length? )

Once more - good luck, and keep contriving ideas, that's what it's all about.


BTW
"coz it will attract lobby members"? Bouncers, TV rights next?

OK, let me explain why this thread was moved to the Dump.

This is a game. This is not a thread for people to collectively debate a topic. It is a thread to decide what thread to create to debate on (between 2 people). That is not what we're looking to do in Arsenal Talk. It sounds as if topics are being pulled from other areas and concentrated into one area. (i.e. the merits of signing Gotze - that is a transfer talk thread and a transfer talk thread only - sorry MDG)

I agree with yuvie above in his saying that you should continue ideas, but please dont be annoyed if it gets moved or locked for some reason if we feel that it doesnt belong in the section or doesnt need to have a separate thread.

Cheers

we debate on a daily basis(@vinci), that's one of the reason why there is such an online forum. if you can't see yourself outwitting another person on a certain topic, it doesn't mean the people who do are doing it solely because of their bravado.

i do understand your point yuvken, but since i spent most of my time on AM as a lobby member i found it fooking appalling HOW LONG i had to wait and HOW HARD it was to really have a nice debate/discussion with someone who on his part wanted to prove his point as well instead of just spouting his opinion and calling whoever disagreed stupid.


now that i'm a forum member(thanks to whoever suggested and promoted me again) i feel like we have to up the quality not only in the main forum but the lobby as well. if lobby members see us having a regualr debate based on facts, based on logic, based on debating skills rather than oneliners, trolling and cursing i believe they would start doing the same more often.

(not mentioning the forum members who need to be found out publicly)

in this way you can easily figure out who's got the potential to be promoted and who really should be demoted.

it's not a game as most of you have called it to be. this could have been one of the most influential threads ever on AM. and it was moved to the dump. why not football talk? but never mind.

we had to have a thread like this. i would've started the sperate threads for the seperate topic debates but we needed a main thread in which a) the topics would be decided and b)the debaters could "find" each other.rather than starting a thread with a hundred wanting to participate at the same time. everyone gets his chance. that's why everyone can suggest a topic. but yeah...i don't see the point in a "will diaby take his chance" thread either if there is a "diaby" thread already...the same goes for "who'll make way for wilshere" if there is a "squad analysis" etc. etc.. but i won't throw a tantrum like i was three years old.

Ah, - sorry, Djibs, I see it was moved after all (really inevitable, and right call by USA. I hope you see that yourself).

No reason why it can't continue successfully: let the game(s) begin!

(so far, what's the score? nah, seriously: keep up the creativity. It's the best one can do, and it's much appreciated!

So - what's holding outlaw? let us hear about Goetze (I'll be following this one, at least: I'm not convinced about him, though initially I thought it'd be a great move.

Also I suggest the topic: sign Benayoun on a permanent deal.

(and for TomasCR: keep wasting our money on Rosicky? or alternatively: is Rosicky becoming ugly with the years?

yeah been wondering about MDG and outlaw as well, waiting for a response. IMO we need more of a schweinsteiger, gerrard, lampard, cambiasso, kaka player than a cesc, götze, snejder, vdv, diego "magician".

but let them battle it out.(hopefully)

2 good shouts. won't get involved on either of them, but see...the dump hasn't got the same number of visitors therefore it'll be harder to find an opponent. but we shall see.

thanks for the support though.

About time someone called Outlaw out on his Götze hate. Should be a good debate.