Our 25 Man Squad - And How It Affects Our Signings

Everyone likes to talk about signings, but we know we can't have more than 25 registered players, only 17 of which can be none home grown. Does anyone have our current list of none home growns? I think I saw a list showing it was maxed out

To my understanding, we had a 25 man squad (or was it 24, Henry came on loan was that part of the 25??). Then lost Benayoun, RVP, Almunia and Song. Song though I believe counted as home grown? So that only frees up 3 none home grown places and 1 HG place? We have had Podolski, Giroud and Cazorla come in to take up those places. Sahin is likely to come in too, taking up another spot

We have Bendtner back from a loan currently taking up a squad place and it's rumoured he'll be sold/loaned. If he wasn't sold he'd be both home grown thus allowing an extra foreign player spot and a very good third choice striker. But he'll probably be off

In conclusion, it seems it is the case that in order to make any new signings we need to sell or loan from Arshavin, Chamakh, Park, Squillaci. Presumably if we can't shift any we can't sign anyone? I know there are quite a few questions there but like many I find this pretty confusing

Alternatively you don't have to register players you have no intention of using, so even if Bendtner and co aren't sold they just wouldn't play any first team football.

Sell players like Bendtner, Arshavin, etc and its no longer a problem.

Alternatively you don't have to register players you have no intention of using, so even if Bendtner and co aren't sold they just wouldn't play any first team football.

We're too tight fisted to go this route

Sell players like Bendtner, Arshavin, etc and its no longer a problem.

That would only create 1 non-home grown squad space (Bendtner being home grown). Sahin coming takes up that place.

Even if we are not able to sell him, Squillaci should not be registered if it means that we can't bring another player in. He played 6 games last year. It will probably be less this season. An absolute waste of a squad place.

We've got 17 non home-grown players. But that's including Park, Squillaci, Chamakh and Arshavin. All of whom would likely be replaced by any new signings anyway.

Szczesny, Djourou, Mannone, Walcott, Gibbs, Ramsey all have to be registered but are home-grown.

Bendtner could also be registered as home-grown if necessary without any real effect on our buying potential.

We shouldn't really have to worry about this because deadwood players like Squillaci, Park etc. We don't have to register them in the 25 man squad. AW could just tell them your not going to play this season so you have to leave. If they know they aren't going to get registered then they will leave.

We've got 17 non home-grown players. But that's including Park, Squillaci, Chamakh and Arshavin. All of whom would likely be replaced by any new signings anyway.

Szczesny, Djourou, Mannone, Walcott, Gibbs, Ramsey all have to be registered but are home-grown.

Bendtner could also be registered as home-grown if necessary without any real effect on our buying potential.

What the age for registering them, 21 and up? Does Wilshere have to be registered yet?

Keeping Djourou makes sense with him being home grown

What the age for registering them, 21 and up? Does Wilshere have to be registered yet?

Keeping Djourou makes sense with him being home grown

It's not quite just 21 and up.

On the Premier League website they quote that for the 2011/12 season any player born on or after 1st January 1990 doesn't have to be registered.

Therefore it stands to reason that for the 2012/13 season we would not have to register any player born on or after 1st January 1991.

That means Ramsey needs to be registered even though he's still 21 because he was born before that date. Whereas Coquelin, who is also 21 doesn't need to be registered because he was born after that date.

Wilshere won't need to be registered until 2014/15 and Oxlade-Chamberlain until 2015/16.

If we can't move on the deadwood players we should just not register the douchbags. We should not not be signing players bcause the likes of squillacci and park still being here.

Pretty sure Squillaci is close to joining Olympiakos anyway

What the age for registering them, 21 and up? Does Wilshere have to be registered yet?

Keeping Djourou makes sense with him being home grown

It's not quite just 21 and up.

On the Premier League website they quote that for the 2011/12 season any player born on or after 1st January 1990 doesn't have to be registered.

Therefore it stands to reason that for the 2012/13 season we would not have to register any player born on or after 1st January 1991.

That means Ramsey needs to be registered even though he's still 21 because he was born before that date. Whereas Coquelin, who is also 21 doesn't need to be registered because he was born after that date.

Wilshere won't need to be registered until 2014/15 and Oxlade-Chamberlain until 2015/16.

Thanks for the explanation

Pretty sure Squillaci is close to joining Olympiakos anyway

This needs to be completed yesterday.

Pretty sure Squillaci is close to joining Olympiakos anyway

This needs to be completed yesterday.

*Last year

We need 8 homegrown players right? Or is that for the UCL.

Can someone do a properly calculation of the whole squad including Sahin (without predicting who gets sold)

Pretty sure Squillaci is close to joining Olympiakos anyway

This needs to be completed yesterday.

*Last year

We need 8 homegrown players right? Or is that for the UCL.

Can someone do a properly calculation of the whole squad including Sahin (without predicting who gets sold)

I don't know about the Champions League but there's no requirement on having 8 homegrown players in the Premier League, squads are just limited to a maximum of 17 non-homegrown players. A team could technically submit a squad with no homegrown players at all.

As for our current squad plus Sahin...

Homegrown players (7):

• Szczesny
• Mannone
• Djourou
• Gibbs
• Ramsey
• Walcott
• Bendtner

Non-homegrown (18):

• Fabianski
• Sagna
• Mertesacker
• Vermaelen
• Koscielny
• Santos
• Squillaci
• Diaby
• Rosicky
• Arteta
• Cazorla
• Arshavin
• Podolski
• Giroud
• Gervinho
• Chamakh
• Park
• Sahin

Meaning if we get Sahin, we need to lose somebody from the non-homegrown list (please be Squillaci, please be Squillaci, please be...)

Just dont register those who wont play.
Arsenal.com has us down as having 30 players I would imagine between now and the window closing 2 or 3 of them will be gone and we have a few under 21's that dont need included. We also have Song and Arshavin still listed one of whom is a done deal and the other is in Russia on working business.

Just dont register those who wont play.

I can't see us keeping a player on our books without registering them for the league.

How old is Coquelin Frimpong Miquel Yennaris? And you are missing Wilshere

They're all under 21's i think so don't need to be registered, hence why they're not on the list. Wilshere is an option for registration but it's a waste of a place.

They're all under 21's i think so don't need to be registered, hence why they're not on the list. Wilshere is an option for registration but it's a waste of a place.

Correct, players born on or after 1 January 1991 (i.e. Wilshere, Coquelin, etc.) don't need to be registered in the 25 man squad this season.

They're all under 21's i think so don't need to be registered, hence why they're not on the list. Wilshere is an option for registration but it's a waste of a place.

Correct, players born on or after 1 January 1991 (i.e. Wilshere, Coquelin, etc.) don't need to be registered in the 25 man squad this season.

If thats the case then we have no problems. http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players lists 30 players one of whom has already left.

Wilshere, Coquelin, Jenkinson, Frimpong, Chamberlain do not need registered and there are possibly a few others whom I have missed. Minus Song from the panel of 30 = 29 plus those 5 listed = 24. We get rid of Arshavin and one or two others that is 23/22 so we have room.

No panic buttons.

They're all under 21's i think so don't need to be registered, hence why they're not on the list. Wilshere is an option for registration but it's a waste of a place.

Correct, players born on or after 1 January 1991 (i.e. Wilshere, Coquelin, etc.) don't need to be registered in the 25 man squad this season.

If thats the case then we have no problems. http://www.arsenal.com/first-team/players" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; lists 30 players one of whom has already left.

Wilshere, Coquelin, Jenkinson, Frimpong, Chamberlain do not need registered and there are possibly a few others whom I have missed. Minus Song from the panel of 30 = 29 plus those 5 listed = 24. We get rid of Arshavin and one or two others that is 23/22 so we have room.

No panic buttons.

We're only aloud 17 none HG though, I'm not sure if we're currently on 16 or 17.

What age does a player have to come in to be considered 'homegrown'?? Diaby came in at 19 I believe

I can't remember the exact rulings but i don't think Diaby has any chance. It's something like 5 years of training in the UK (i remember that part) not sure if that's before turning 21 or something?

We need 8 homegrown players right? Or is that for the UCL.

Can someone do a properly calculation of the whole squad including Sahin (without predicting who gets sold)

I don't know about the Champions League but there's no requirement on having 8 homegrown players in the Premier League, squads are just limited to a maximum of 17 non-homegrown players. A team could technically submit a squad with no homegrown players at all.

As for our current squad plus Sahin...

Homegrown players (7):

• Szczesny
• Mannone
• Djourou
• Gibbs
• Ramsey
• Walcott
• Bendtner

Non-homegrown (18):

• Fabianski
• Sagna
• Mertesacker
• Vermaelen
• Koscielny
• Santos
• Squillaci
• Diaby
• Rosicky
• Arteta
• Cazorla
• Arshavin
• Podolski
• Giroud
• Gervinho
• Chamakh
• Park
• Sahin

Meaning if we get Sahin, we need to lose somebody from the non-homegrown list (please be Squillaci, please be Squillaci, please be...)

Ahh right, is Diaby not HG, he joined us as a 19yo, what's the cut off age?

I can't remember the exact rulings but i don't think Diaby has any chance. It's something like 5 years of training in the UK (i remember that part) not sure if that's before turning 21 or something?

5years, so only the foreign players that joined age 16 and on? So Myiachi for instance won't be HG? Some people have said he will be

If i'm right it's the ones we pick up as kids of 15/16 that make the rulings, Diaby doesn't fit that i think, not sure if it's possible for people who joined at 17 to make the rulings if their birthday landed right.

So, the rules:

1) All Premier League clubs must submit a squad of up to 25 players.

2) Each 25-man squad must include at least eight 'home-grown' players.

3) A home grown player is defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Welsh Football Association for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

4) In addition to the 25-man named squad, clubs can use an unlimited number of players aged 21 or under. An Under 21 player is defined as one who is under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences. For the 2012/13 campaign Under 21 players will have been born on or after 1st January 1991.

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Homegrown players (8):

• Szczesny
• Mannone
• Djourou
• Gibbs
• Ramsey
• Lansbury
• Walcott
• Bendtner

Non-homegrown (17):

• Fabianski
• Sagna
• Mertesacker
• Vermaelen
• Koscielny
• Santos
• Squillaci
• Diaby
• Rosicky
• Arteta
• Cazorla
• Arshavin
• Podolski
• Giroud
• Gervinho
• Chamakh
• Park

Under-21(6)

• Jenkinson
• Miquel
• Wilshere
• Coquelin
• Frimpong
• Chamberlain

(Credit to Wokky for the list and formatting. For the purpose of the under-21 list, I noted only the players who are realistically in the first team picture.)

Cheers that's nice and clear. Would be perfect if it could be found which of the U-21's are eligible to be HG in the future.

Jenkinson HG
Miquel ? (He joined in 08 so would have been 15 at the time so might make the rulings?)
Wilshere HG
Coquelin ? (08 season again so would have joined at 17, not sure if he sneaks just in?)
Frimpong HG
Chamberlain HG