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Arsène Wenger: Same Old Class

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To Be A Rock

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If you believe he's only an employee, you're sorely mistaken. If he was truly just an employee, he would already be out the door. See Ranieri as an example.

All the talk to date, which few dispute, is that the ball is in Wenger's court. He's the one who has to decide whether to sign the contract or not. Even now, the talk about the contract being changed to a 1 year contract still indicates that it's in his court because the offer has been made.

Any well run organisation would have set a hard deadline on an offer instead of leaving it at the offeree's discretion. In the course of my work, I've even seen organisations immediately start looking for a replacement for a senior position once the incumbent talks about maybe not continuing or wanting a change, simply because effecting change at a senior level is incredibly complex and not just something that can be done in the space of a month.

Think about it: it takes time to negotiate a new contract with another manager, especially one that is already at a club. But that's not all in this case. The new manager needs time to come in and assess the squad and decide on transfer policy and transfers also take time. By leaving this to the last minute, the club is essentially putting itself in an untenable position for next season and all this because Wenger doesn't want to state what he wants to do next.

Stay or go, it's largely irrelevant by now though. If he stays, it's more of the same, maybe a little better, more likely somewhat worse. But if he goes without giving the club time to prepare? That's why it's called ransom. At some point, the club pretty much has to beg him to stay or face a situation where next season is a complete write-off.

If he doesn't own it, and gets paid a salary HE IS AN EMPLOYEE. Just because you think he has some evil mind hold over the owners, board, trainers, team, fans, gunnersaurus and the tea lady is beside the point really. And if he is as responsible as you say why would the club 'beg him to stay'?? Makes no sense whatsoever.
 

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Signing on for one year is pointless. The argument is so that they'd have time to get the structure in place but it's only March and pre-season doesn't start until July. They'd have three months to find a new manager and a director of football. People act like trying to find a new manager is like trying to find rocking horse ****.
 

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Wonder if he walks tomorrow giving the club two weeks to sort **** out.

How does that help? Chances are the managers they identify as potential replacements are at clubs still involved in major competitions and won't be allowed to leave their clubs until the season is over. However him making his intentions known would mean they could start actively pursuing candidates. It seems like Wenger's got everyone dancing to his tune at the minute.
 

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One more year feels like the worst thing we could do. Özil and Alexis would surely be sold and I doubt the players that you'd want to replace them with would be attracted to us because of the uncertainty/competitiveness.

Leaving at the end of his current contract would prove how much he loves the club.
 

mm76

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The stasis years, where we emerged from severe financial restrictions, yet he couldn't fulfil expectations to beat all of the rich 3 clubs and of course Leicester in that unique and crazy season.

I realise that had we played at full potential we might still have finished above Leicester but to be fair we did the double over Leicester, it was actually the laziness/arrogance of too many other teams who allowed Leicester to take points off them, because they thought they weren't good enough to beat them or that they would simply fall by the wayside.
 

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How does that help? Chances are the managers they identify as potential replacements are at clubs still involved in major competitions and won't be allowed to leave their clubs until the season is over. However him making his intentions known would mean they could start actively pursuing candidates. It seems like Wenger's got everyone dancing to his tune at the minute.
You would assume Bold takes over in a caretaker role.

If he believes the players are not playing for him not sure how announcing his plans help in the short term.

Keep going back to the quote... If he was going to go the International break is the last opportunity really.
 

Deathstroke

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Don't you want to take a leap of faith? Or become an old man, filled with regret, waiting to die alone!"
 

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I realise that had we played at full potential we might still have finished above Leicester but to be fair we did the double over Leicester, it was actually the laziness/arrogance of too many other teams who allowed Leicester to take points off them, because they thought they weren't good enough to beat them or that they would simply fall by the wayside.
This.

We might have done it last season but we had the same old problem of players breaking down and Giroud had a bit of drought. Saw some stats about how many times he hit the bar. And of course we weren't gifted 11 penalty goals. ;)
 

YeahBee

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Dude, are you ok? :rolleyes:

how can anyone be? wouldn't it be nice to Support Southhampton or something?

imagine, the excitement of the odd good run, some of their homegrown talents, midtable so you don't get crushed when you don't win and can feel joy about being midtable... and every win is cause for celebration
 

Crazycarrots

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how can anyone be? wouldn't it be nice to Support Southhampton or something?

imagine, the excitement of the odd good run, some of their homegrown talents, midtable so you don't get crushed when you don't win and can feel joy about being midtable... and every win is cause for celebration

Replace mid table with fourth place (although not this year) and you have just described us!!
 

To Be A Rock

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how can anyone be? wouldn't it be nice to Support Southhampton or something?

imagine, the excitement of the odd good run, some of their homegrown talents, midtable so you don't get crushed when you don't win and can feel joy about being midtable... and every win is cause for celebration

Can remember a fair few years like that with Arsenal in the 70's and 80's. 68 was when I got hooked, 1st live game 71 and we didn't win the title for 18 years.....or challenge either for that matter!
 

Makingtrax

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how can anyone be? wouldn't it be nice to Support Southhampton or something?

imagine, the excitement of the odd good run, some of their homegrown talents, midtable so you don't get crushed when you don't win and can feel joy about being midtable... and every win is cause for celebration
You look on the Southampton forum and there'll be some fans saying, 'Puel's clueless, we won the FA Cup in 1976 ffs, why can't we win the league.'

Then someone will point out that the Southampton squad is only £182m how the hell are we expected to beat three clubs spending three times that.

And then the fans'll come back and say money's got nothing to do with it ffs. Conte's not beating Southampton because he's got £30m players all over the pitch, it's because he's got his men well drilled.
 
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