Life After Emery Begins

[Fewtch]

 

[yybecause]

We need a manager who speaks English and can communicate easily.. its vital. Pep and Klopp would not have had the same effect if they couldn't talk a word of English, and I don't think they would have even taken the roles either.

If its to be believed that a lot of the players can't understand Emery, then we should not make the same mistake again. Do you remember when Conte came to Chelsea and won the league? he said he deliberately made sure he had John Terry and Carlo Cudicini with him at all times because they are both fluent in English and can relay a lot of the messages of what he demands and wants of the players.. he said they were both vital for him.

A lot of people want Allegri, and yes he has done very well at Juventus, but how is his English, I don't know, I have no clue if he can speak English well or not, but if he can't then I fear it could be the same problems.

I get where you are going but even if Allegri doesn't speak English, like Conte, it wouldn't be that hard to get in our own Cudicini and Terry, wouldn't it

 

[bingobob]

This doesnt seem to come into much consideration. The clubs that have the managers other clubs want will be very reluctant to let them go mid season. Unless you're going for a lower ranked manager like Howe that may never get this chance again you're effectively up against a brick wall enticing a better manager from a successful project into an unsuccessful project.

 

[tap-in]

So the club claim Raul & Mourinho haven't spoken for years.

The club have moved to quash widespread reports on Sunday morning that Sanllehi had met Mourinho for dinner, telling PA that no such meeting took place, and that the pair have not spoken for years.

We know that's not true because we saw Mourinho with Raul at a game a few weeks ago. You cant sit together for 90 mins, probably have drinks before the game and a meal after and not talk to each other unless you are married!

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ose-mourinho-as-pressure-mounts-on-unai-emery

 

[TornadoTed]

I thought I could just about stomach Jose, but after consideration I just can't bring myself to do it.

We are not in a good position, there really aren't any outstanding candidates available at the moment. I would give it Freddie until the summer and see who is available then if Freddie doesn't succeed.

 

[field442]

So the club claim Raul & Mourinho haven't spoken for years.

The club have moved to quash widespread reports on Sunday morning that Sanllehi had met Mourinho for dinner, telling PA that no such meeting took place, and that the pair have not spoken for years.

We know that's not true because we saw Mourinho with Raul at a game a few weeks ago. You cant sit together for 90 mins, probably have drinks before the game and a meal after and not talk to each other unless you are married!

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ose-mourinho-as-pressure-mounts-on-unai-emery

He wasn’t with Raul but in any case, it sounds like the sort of dodgy alibi you see in a murder mystery tv show.

Detective: “When was the last time you saw [insert name]”.

Accused: “I haven’t seen him in years” as he thinks about where he hid the body.

 

[Garrincha]

Wenger does not define the club or its values. He simply oversaw a very important period of the club and because of that his legacy is set in stone. However, Arsenal is under no obligation to continue on his philosophy when it clearly stopped working in the second half of his career here. Moving forward, we cannot take every decision based on how it will impact Wenger’s legacy.

Really Wengers Arsenal has been decimated. The style has gone. His loyal core of players have gone or outcast, his long term projects have gone & even next gen favorites like Iwobi / Jeff gone. Only 3 or 4 remain.

I was firmly in the Wenger camp just dont believe he would back alot of the decisions since. Would love to know his opinion on Emery, Mourinho, Vieira etc but too much class. Who knows he might trust Mourino more than those in power positions now.

 

[bingobob]

I thought I could just about stomach Jose, but after consideration I just can't bring myself to do it.

We are not in a good position, there really aren't any outstanding candidates available at the moment. I would give it Freddie until the summer and see who is available then if Freddie doesn't succeed.

Alright Man Utd. And even then Ole had experience albeit terrible experience and he shouldnt have got that job.

Pep is an exception though he done very well with Barca B. What's Ljungberg done to indicate he will be good enough?

 

[Mark Tobias]

You cant sit together for 90 mins, probably have drinks before the game and a meal after and not talk to each other unless you are married!

This guy knows what is up!

 

[Penn_]

If the club want Arteta or Ljungberg they’d probably leave it another month or two. Let hope of CL be distance so he could then come in with little pressure.

 

[Mark Tobias]

I thought I could just about stomach Jose, but after consideration I just can't bring myself to do it.

We are not in a good position, there really aren't any outstanding candidates available at the moment. I would give it Freddie until the summer and see who is available then if Freddie doesn't succeed.

I've also re-evaluated. We won't recover from the damage he essentially ensures over a 3 year period. It is the same everywhere he goes, win for a short while then the wheels come off and the club goes into absolute meltdown. We are not in a safe place to try..

 

[Highbury]

Just because some people don’t want Jose, it doesn’t make them ‘Wenger loyalists’. You’re obsessed with Jose.

Mate I am not obsessed with Mourinho. I am obsessed with seeing Arsenal win the Premier League and compete in the CL again. And at this point I see Mourinho as the strongest, approachable candidate who can take the club back to the glory days.

It is fine if people don’t want Mourinho because of XYZ reasons, but then they serve up alternatives like Arteta, Ljungberg, Allegri etc which completely negates their credibility.

The same people who now think that Arteta/Ljungberg should be preferred to Mourinho are the ones who were advocating Emery over Arteta last year because he was experienced.

And Allegri over Mourinho is also ridiculous. He is a poor man’s Mourinho who does everything he does but at an inferior level. Yes there are other candidates like Ten Haag, Rodgers Nagelsmann etc but literally every candidate carries bigger risks than Mourinho because he is more proven than all of them.

Unless you can get Pep or Klopp, is there a single manager out there who is is less risky than Mourinho and also more likely to take Arsenal to the top? Well I would love to see a list of names.

As far as Wenger loyalism is concerned, some of the arguments to justify why we should pass up the chance to get Mourinho does indicate Wenger loyalism.

“Won’t give chances to some random youngsters, doesn’t play free flowing football, doesn’t represent the values and traditions that Wenger instilled in the club, called Wenger a specialist in failure etc”

Only Wenger loyalists can come up with these ridiculous arguments.

Of course the other arguments that Mourinho has had fall outs at several clubs and creates factions in the dressing room obviously have more credibility than the Wenger romanticism mentioned above, and I can understand why some won’t want him at the club because of those reasons.

 

[Ceballinhos]

I've also re-evaluated. We won't recover from the damage he essentially ensures over a 3 year period. It is the same everywhere he goes, win for a short while then the wheels come off and the club goes into absolute meltdown. We are not in a safe place to try..

well I don't think it's true.
chelsea stayed one of the best team in the PL after he left the first time, and players like lampard, terry drogba makélélé, essien, were like his legacy. they were typical mourinho players and even after he left his impact was still visible through those players.

inter was a different situation, it was an old team that wasn't going anywhere in the near future, it was a oneshot, most of his best players were at the end of their careers.

then Real Madrid, he's built the foundations that allowed them to win 4 CL.

chelsea the 2nd time, they've won the title under Conte just after he left.

has he ruined Man Utd? I don't think so tbf, they're still the same mediocre team they were before he got there.
Woodward is a clown and has failed to build a competitive team and a positive atmosphere.

 

[field442]

well I don't think it's true.
chelsea stayed one of the best team in the PL after he left the first time, and players like lampard, terry drogba makélélé, essien, were like his legacy. they were typical mourinho players and even after he left his impact was still visible through those players.

inter was a different situation, it was an old team that wasn't going anywhere in the near future, it was a oneshot, most of his best players were at the end of their careers.

then Real Madrid, he's built the foundations that allowed them to win 4 CL.

chelsea the 2nd time, they've won the title under Conte just after he left.

has he ruined Man Utd? I don't think so tbf, they're still the same mediocre team they were before he got there.
Woodward is a clown and has failed to build a competitive team and a positive atmosphere.

It’s a myth. He has left Chelsea and Utd leaving a bad taste in the mouth because it seemed like he lost the dressing rooms. He left neither club in a mess. Utd are in a mess because of decisions made by Ed Woodward and as you said, Chelsea have carried on winning since he left.

 

[Makingtrax]

From 2013 until Wenger’s last season, we had a much bigger net spend than Chelsea.
It’s a myth that Wenger didn’t spend money. We didn’t spend from the stadium move until about 2013, but a lot was spent (relatively speaking) before that and after that.

You're wrong. Net spend is totally irrelevant and tells you nothing.

Team A sells a player for £100m and buys two players at £50m. The net spend is £0

Team B has a player leave on a free and buys two players at £50m. The net spend is £100m that year

But both teams have added the same.

What shows you the difference is the overall cost of the 25 players in the squad and Chelsea have been much higher every year. Even this year winding down the Chelsea squad is still in the top 4 and most years in the top 3. This is why City, United and Chelsea have carved up the league between them since 2004.

2019/20
1 City £1014m
2 United £751m
3 Pool £639m
4 Chelsea £561m

Arsenal were in the bottom half of the league for much of Wenger's reign and rose to 5th in 2016/17. This puts into perspective how good Wenger was.

It's a real shame our fans never understood, even in 2010 they were berating him for not challenging for the league. Crazy, he was operating at Stoke level spending.

 

[Preacher]

So the club claim Raul & Mourinho haven't spoken for years.

The club have moved to quash widespread reports on Sunday morning that Sanllehi had met Mourinho for dinner, telling PA that no such meeting took place, and that the pair have not spoken for years.

We know that's not true because we saw Mourinho with Raul at a game a few weeks ago. You cant sit together for 90 mins, probably have drinks before the game and a meal after and not talk to each other unless you are married!

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ose-mourinho-as-pressure-mounts-on-unai-emery

At that game, it wasn't Raul. This is different angle:

 

[Makingtrax]

At that game, it wasn't Raul. This is different angle:

I don't think the club would be stupid enough to appoint Mourinho. There's been a problem with bums on seats since the Wenger divide got nasty.

Appointing a rival team's manager in the same city, particularly one who tried to publicly humiliate our team and manager, would be inviting more problems. Not sure some of our foreign fans understand this.

 

[rich 1990]

You're wrong. Net spend is totally irrelevant and tells you nothing.

Team A sells a player for £100m and buys two players at £50m. The net spend is £0

Team B has a player leave on a free and buys two players at £50m. The net spend is £100m that year

But both teams have added the same.

What shows you the difference is the overall cost of the 25 players in the squad and Chelsea have been much higher every year. Even this year winding down the Chelsea squad is still in the top 4 and most years in the top 3. This is why City, United and Chelsea have carved up the league between them since 2004.

2019/20
1 City £1014m
2 United £751m
3 Pool £639m
4 Chelsea £561m

Arsenal were in the bottom half of the league for much of Wenger's reign and rose to 5th in 2016/17. This puts into perspective how good Wenger was.

It's a real shame our fans never understood, even in 2010 they were berating him for not challenging for the league. Crazy, he was operating at Stoke level spending.

You'd been doing so well recently, ffs.

 

[Manberg]

I don't think the club would be stupid enough to appoint Mourinho. There's been a problem with bums on seats since the Wenger divide got nasty.

Appointing a rival team's manager in the same city, particularly one who tried to publicly humiliate our team and manager, would be inviting more problems. Not sure some of our foreign fans understand this.

The club should make an official poll, like democracy works.

Question: Do you want Mourinho as manager at Arsenal
Option A: Yes
Option B: No

It’s that simple. Like a democracy, the losing side would just have to accept that they lost.

 

[Manberg]

You're wrong. Net spend is totally irrelevant and tells you nothing.

Team A sells a player for £100m and buys two players at £50m. The net spend is £0

Team B has a player leave on a free and buys two players at £50m. The net spend is £100m that year

But both teams have added the same.

What shows you the difference is the overall cost of the 25 players in the squad and Chelsea have been much higher every year. Even this year winding down the Chelsea squad is still in the top 4 and most years in the top 3. This is why City, United and Chelsea have carved up the league between them since 2004.

2019/20
1 City £1014m
2 United £751m
3 Pool £639m
4 Chelsea £561m

Arsenal were in the bottom half of the league for much of Wenger's reign and rose to 5th in 2016/17. This puts into perspective how good Wenger was.

It's a real shame our fans never understood, even in 2010 they were berating him for not challenging for the league. Crazy, he was operating at Stoke level spending.

In that case it would tell that we’ve been terribly managed allowing players to leave on a free or for low fees rather than a big fee that would more help the club’s cause. Wenger shares the blame in that because he gave players like Cesc and RVP false promises.
It doesn’t mean I’m wrong.