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Wenger To Return?

Gunner-Union

Well-Known Member
Most returns never end well though he wouldnt be back as coach. Our squad needs so much work though I think we need a miracle worker
 

Eaststander74

Jury Lite II
Mod Edit: say no to racism
How was that racism when all I did was do exactly as he did? I even highlighted it to give any mods a clue--not that it was needed.

He took the piss out of how some English people speak, so I did the same for how some Indian people speak. If anything, it was actually more racist from him than it was me, because he's attaching stereotype to it, whereas I did not. So yeah, well done :lol:
 

Eaststander74

Jury Lite II
A lot of Wenger in fans saw the future and predicted what would happen if he left. Guess what, they were right.

Wenger was the problem right? Man finished above his spend for nearly 22 years but the problem was always his tippy tappy football... Emery underperforms - Wengers fault...
The downward trajectory in his last couple of years is impossible to ignore though. Just because Emery came in and had one better season than Wenger's last, and was then sacked part way through what was more than likely going to be a terrible one, doesn't make anyone 'right'. The only 'right' thing was he had to go and we needed to start again. Everything else is just speculation.
 

GoonerJay24

Well-Known Member
Sheep mentality for not wanting to consistently getting smashed by our rivals :lol:

Fan and media hostility contributed to performance anxiety. Ultimately Wenger deployed an attacking high risk playing style; so occasionally we'd concede many goals against good teams.

Arsenal still won plenty of big matches under Wenger especially home matches
 

El Granit-Coq

Established Member
The downward trajectory in his last couple of years is impossible to ignore though. Just because Emery came in and had one better season than Wenger's last, and was then sacked part way through what was more than likely going to be a terrible one, doesn't make anyone 'right'. The only 'right' thing was he had to go and we needed to start again. Everything else is just speculation.
Emery had the benefit of having the fans backing and "Our Arsenal back" mantra that we ad fans were spewing. He didn't manage in a toxic atmosphere with people clamouring for his head and resignation. Look how quickly he lost the dressing room, something, even at his worst, Arsène never had to deal with.

Note that Wenger wanted to leave 2 years prior but because of the mess that our club is (higher ups) had to stay and handhold them for another few years. He tainted his legacy by putting this **** of a board first. You could tell that even the board was not prepared to succeed him, everything has been a shambles since he left. Gazidis jumped ship the moment it was evident that Wenger would not be to blame anymore and he would actually have to be responsible.

Honestly, our fanbase pisses me off so much, myself included. Look at the mirror and think, I helped crucify Arsène for naught. AM with it's moments is probably the only section of our fans that one can tolerate? Have any of you met Arsenal fans outside?
 

Eaststander74

Jury Lite II
Emery had the benefit of having the fans backing and "Our Arsenal back" mantra that we ad fans were spewing.

How is that a benefit, even if we ignore the fact that it was hardly any sort of 'mantra'? A few people said it... It was meaningless throwaway twitter fodder. Arsenal has never and will never be 'ours'.

He didn't manage in a toxic atmosphere with people clamouring for his head and resignation. Look how quickly he lost the dressing room, something, even at his worst, Arsène never had to deal with.
The atmosphere was toxic enough without it getting palpable. The fans in the stadium knew he was a dead man and they remained calm, whereas getting the message across that Wenger had done his time, was something they knew was going to be more difficult after 22 years. It gets toxic for a reason anyway. Rarely are two scenarios before a departure, the same.

Note that Wenger wanted to leave 2 years prior but because of the mess that our club is (higher ups) had to stay and handhold them for another few years. He tainted his legacy by putting this **** of a board first.
He was also the architect of his own destiny by failing to do what he had to do when he had the chances to do it though.

I personally wont let the last two years ruin what was a magical period in the clubs history. I'll argue with those who want to say he didn't contribute to the mess we found ourselves in, but that's it. I don't know why people think he either has to be some infallible god-like figure, or the biggest reason we're currently sh!t. It can be a degree of both.
 
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scytheavatar

Established Member
Note that Wenger wanted to leave 2 years prior but because of the mess that our club is (higher ups) had to stay and handhold them for another few years. He tainted his legacy by putting this **** of a board first. You could tell that even the board was not prepared to succeed him, everything has been a shambles since he left. Gazidis jumped ship the moment it was evident that Wenger would not be to blame anymore and he would actually have to be responsible.

In another words Wenger can't save us from Kroenke and co...... so what's the point of keeping him? He doesn't know how to be a team player, how to fight for what he needs and we would be shambles had he stayed too. We need a manager who can fight to change the culture of the club, if Arteta can't be that manager then he's going to fail sooner or latter too.
 

Nom de Plume

Active Member

Country: Australia
He stayed on too long and was too stubborn near the end but bloody hell, this is revisionism.

If you can't recognise just how much Wenger did to keep us in the top 4 during the lean years immediately pre and post the move to the Emirates, you're just burying your head in the sand.

Staying in a 38000 Highbury just wasnt an option if wanted to compete.

We struggled to finance the move - to the point where when we did finally find a willing financier there were two conditions - Wenger stayed on and we retained a substantial balance on our account as collateral.

If the debt alone wasn't handicap enough, shortly afterwards the worst financial crisis since the 20s hit and the projected profits from the Highbury development looked increasingly at risk.

Add in the oil money that hit the league in a big way around the same time and Arsène wasn't so much operating with one hand tied behind his back but trying to juggle while wearing a straight jacket.

The fact we didn't crash and burn during that period is very much to Wenger. In much less challenging circumstances, other clubs form had nosedived after a stadium move. Wenger navigated this and a perfect storm of restricted spending and increased competition in a way, few of anyone else could have managed. Was an incredible achievement.

In later years he might have struggled to adapt to new tactical environment and to the obscene amounts floating around in the game but by God what he did in those tough years can never be overestimated.

TLDR: Many reasons why he shouldn't come back but 'king hell :D


Wowee. How insightful of you.
You must have read my mind, NOT.
I only mentioned his transfer dealings.
 

Nom de Plume

Active Member

Country: Australia
Yeah, lets sink further down the table before we get a manager who specialises in top4 finishes and FA Cup wins.


Yeah. Let's go back to, "I didn't see it" instead.
Wenger was good for a while, but hey, if a top 4 finish is the height of your ambition for the club, then carry on worshipping the bloke
 

Nom de Plume

Active Member

Country: Australia
So you fell out of love with him as soon as we moved stadium and had to pay off debts, which compromised our ability to compete?

That’s exactly when I fell in love with him, 2006-13 were our golden years.


I see why you turned to God.
The game moved on, he regressed.
Stagnated.
 

Makingtrax

Worships in the house of Wenger 🙏
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Country: England

Player:Saliba
Yeah. Let's go back to, "I didn't see it" instead.
Wenger was good for a while, but hey, if a top 4 finish is the height of your ambition for the club, then carry on worshipping the bloke
Next time a club spending 5th in the league comes top, let me know and I'll change my view.

Unless you want to wait a 140 years like Leicester did.
 

Mo Britain

Doom Monger
Next time a club spending 5th in the league comes top, let me know and I'll change my view.

Unless you want to wait a 140 years like Leicester did.
A lot of people would now kill for 4th place and seriously anxiously wonder if we could win the 6th place trophy.

Wenger set the bar high and when he wasn't able to meet his own high standards left, giving the Kronkes cover for one last time.

We got our Arsenal back all right. An underperforming team owned by shysters.
 

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