Mikel Arteta: Aston La Vista To The Title?

[goonerfamily]

Do you gents thing Arteta will go for a 4-3-3 next season if he gets the type or players he wants ? City is pep have been 4-3-3 as much as possible

I'd be surprised if an ideal Arteta team would play with a number 10. It looks like he wants us to play a 2-3-5 when we have the ball a la Klopp and Guardiola. Interestingly, the 5 in Guardiola side is made up by the front three plus two midfielders (usually De Bruyne and Silva) whereas Klopp plays with his front three and two very advanced fullbacks. On paper, with players like Saka at LB, playing it the Klopp way makes more sense but I wonder if he will approach the game similar to his tutor in Guardiola

 

[Hleb's Sirush]

So since Arteta joined we conceded 7 goals in 8 league games we kept 2 clean sheet scored 12 the lack of goals was bit worrying after today game but hopefully after today big win we'll kick on. It's hard to blame Mikel alot of these games players weren't clinical enough.

I'm most happy about the huge defensive improvements. Since Arteta took over only Liverpool have conceded less goals than us. Shows you how important defensive organisation is. Our defenders are finally playing in a system that isn't set up to fail them. Just need to get our attacking game going like in the 2nd half against Newcastle. Small steps, we are on the right track so far.

 

[Dutch D]

Quite an accomplishment given how **** our defenders are.

 

[CaseUteinberger]

I'm most happy about the huge defensive improvements. Since Arteta took over only Liverpool have conceded less goals than us. Shows you how important defensive organisation is. Our defenders are finally playing in a system that isn't set up to fail them.

I think this was my biggest gripe with Wenger and Emery, that they failed to create any real team solidity, but that we relied too much on the individual quality of our defenders to bail us out. In the “old” Arsenal setup a CB needed to be great to play well and good to play bang average. I think our defenders got way too much stick for what in the end was an issue with our overall defensive setup. Really happy that has changed and especially our CBs have a systems to allows them to be successful.

 

[Trilly]

Xhaka comes out well there

He's a good player that's why!

 

[Tosker]

I'm most happy about the huge defensive improvements. Since Arteta took over only Liverpool have conceded less goals than us. Shows you how important defensive organisation is. Our defenders are finally playing in a system that isn't set up to fail them. Just need to get our attacking game going like in the 2nd half against Newcastle. Small steps, we are on the right track so far.

and it's really good to see what a difference proper organization has made to Luis and Mustafi - I'm particularly glad for the latter, who has had so much abuse to put up with - much of it deserved but he can be a quality defender in the right hands, and he must have been frustrated along with the rest of us when too much was being asked of him

 

[Riou]

...Arteta can really connect with the young players...

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

Xhaka comes out well there

Close to giving penalty in the first half very early, think at minute 5. And got the pointless yellow card soon after.

Can't wait to see the back of him!

 

[The_Playmaker]

I'd be surprised if an ideal Arteta team would play with a number 10. It looks like he wants us to play a 2-3-5 when we have the ball a la Klopp and Guardiola. Interestingly, the 5 in Guardiola side is made up by the front three plus two midfielders (usually De Bruyne and Silva) whereas Klopp plays with his front three and two very advanced fullbacks. On paper, with players like Saka at LB, playing it the Klopp way makes more sense but I wonder if he will approach the game similar to his tutor in Guardiola

I've been thinking about this, but hasn't he got the players to try a 3 man midfield? He has Torreira as a specialist holder or Xhaka, Ceballos, Willock, Guendouzi and Nelson can all play 8. He hasn't even attempted it. We are linked to Papa Gueye who is the left side of a double pivot. Could it be that he prefers the 4 2 3 1? Maybe he wants to overload both flanks and play with a 10 and a box four of athletes remaining back.

-Tierney----Saka----Martinelli-----Pepe----Bellerin
------------------------------Nelson?
-------------------Gueye-----------Sangare?
-----------------Gabriel-----------Saliba-------------------

I mean, that defensive box of four is not getting countered on, but that means the 10 needs to be one hell of a player. There also comes a time where we need to trust Martinelli as a striker. I'd like to create space through movement and intrrchanging rather than having a specific pivot like Lacazette or a specific creator like Özil.

I think those 6 players are an absolute handful. People will probably make the comment of bla bla, that's a mid table line up. Before the season started I bet Leicester had a mid table line up and Sheffield United had a relegation line up.

It's all about the coaching and the movement on and off the ball. That entire line up has pace and there is serious power in that double pivot.

I'd also argue that Nelson is probably the best player we have apart from Özil in moving between lines to pick up space. The advatange is he can also play wide and interchange with the wide players, so it becomes a massive problem for a defending team when you have 4 players capable of rotating around.

 

[Riou]

...THE man behind this...

 

[Goonger]

...THE man behind this...

In what context is this, because there are a few I can think of that's unbeaten, like Celtic.

 

[Hleb's Sirush]

In what context is this, because there are a few I can think of that's unbeaten, like Celtic.

Don't know about others but Celtic definitely aren't unbeaten. I remember them losing against Cluj in their last group game in the EL.

Edit: nevermind, that was the back end of 2019

 

[Goonger]

Don't know about others but Celtic definitely aren't unbeaten. I remember them losing against Cluj in their last group game in the EL.

Forgive me, I misinterpreted what it meant. I thought it was talking about domestically in 2020. So there's was only 3 teams in the full of Europe unbeaten in 2020. Doh!

 

[goonerfamily]

I've been thinking about this, but hasn't he got the players to try a 3 man midfield? He has Torreira as a specialist holder or Xhaka, Ceballos, Willock, Guendouzi and Nelson can all play 8. He hasn't even attempted it. We are linked to Papa Gueye who is the left side of a double pivot. Could it be that he prefers the 4 2 3 1? Maybe he wants to overload both flanks and play with a 10 and a box four of athletes remaining back.

-Tierney----Saka----Martinelli-----Pepe----Bellerin
------------------------------Nelson?
-------------------Gueye-----------Sangare?
-----------------Gabriel-----------Saliba-------------------

I mean, that defensive box of four is not getting countered on, but that means the 10 needs to be one hell of a player. There also comes a time where we need to trust Martinelli as a striker. I'd like to create space through movement and intrrchanging rather than having a specific pivot like Lacazette or a specific creator like Özil.

I think those 6 players are an absolute handful. People will probably make the comment of bla bla, that's a mid table line up. Before the season started I bet Leicester had a mid table line up and Sheffield United had a relegation line up.

It's all about the coaching and the movement on and off the ball. That entire line up has pace and there is serious power in that double pivot.

I'd also argue that Nelson is probably the best player we have apart from Özil in moving between lines to pick up space. The advatange is he can also play wide and interchange with the wide players, so it becomes a massive problem for a defending team when you have 4 players capable of rotating around.

Interesting take. I'm not personally a massive fan of Nelson so not convinced he could be a ten like that. I think if you went for that side, leaving only four bodies at the back would still be quite risky even though they are very athletic and can cover a lot of ground. Perhaps a compromise would be to bring in someone who has the creativity to play that ten role but equally is positionally astute and can press well too (a bit of an all-rounder). Ironically, a fit Ramsey would possibly suit that role quite well. Maybe someone like Aouar or Szabozlai could do that role too?

 

[The_Playmaker]

Interesting take. I'm not personally a massive fan of Nelson so not convinced he could be a ten like that. I think if you went for that side, leaving only four bodies at the back would still be quite risky even though they are very athletic and can cover a lot of ground. Perhaps a compromise would be to bring in someone who has the creativity to play that ten role but equally is positionally astute and can press well too (a bit of an all-rounder). Ironically, a fit Ramsey would possibly suit that role quite well. Maybe someone like Aouar or Szabozlai could do that role too?

The key to the system is having a 10 who is comfortable on the flanks so they can interchange with the wide players. I.e taking up the position on the right allowing Pepe to drift infield. We are linked to Jonathan David currently. A player who is two footed and comfortable playing all along on the midfield and the front 3. He can basically interchange with anyone apart from our defence due to athleticism.

Leaving four back is only an issue if the opposition leave 3 up top, but that wont happen if we push 6 forward. Also when you talk about recovery, every player in that line up is considered fast. The slowest player in recovery would be Tierney which is maybe why we would invert him more and push Saka wide.

 

[MutableEarth]

The key to the system is having a 10 who is comfortable on the flanks so they can interchange with the wide players. I.e taking up the position on the right allowing Pepe to drift infield. We are linked to Jonathan David currently. A player who is two footed and comfortable playing all along on the midfield and the front 3. He can basically interchange with anyone apart from our defence due to athleticism.

Leaving four back is only an issue if the opposition leave 3 up top, but that wont happen if we push 6 forward. Also when you talk about recovery, every player in that line up is considered fast. The slowest player in recovery would be Tierney which is maybe why we would invert him more and push Saka wide.

Not a diss to you at all (far from it in fact) but I always think it's funny that the man with the username Playmaker is the biggest proponent of Power & Pace on the whole forum, perhaps even more than YeahBee . Such a great juxtaposition! (I know you wouldn't advocate without some level of technical ability).

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

Do you believe now?

 

[Notorious Big]

We can play like Pep's City and defend like Simeone's Atletico.Happy ?

 

[GDeep™]

Arteta is doing great. Should’ve employed him straight after Wenger ffs.

 

[Tourbillion]

My guy. Now please buy non-cretinous midfielders worthy of your vision.