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Mikel Arteta: Top Of The Klopps

Sniper Mik

Not a Closet Sp**s Fan
theres a reason Arsène packed his squad with midfielders, and why klopp does likewise. Also if your wide forwards cant pin back the opposing fullbacks and keep them honest, then Salah and Mane will cause havoc.

Arteta went into the match already beaten, just like Emery used to do, and in a way like Arsène used to do. An approach built around minimizing damage against the top 4 and tonking everyone else and sneaking into champions league places.

Can still work, but I miss the days when we went again prime barcelona and the fans had hope and the team had pride in their club.
Wenger didn't always do that. The 8-2s, 6-0s and 5-1s forced him to be more pragmatic.
 

kash2

More Consistent Than Arteta
Wenger didn't always do that. The 8-2s, 6-0s and 5-1s forced him to be more pragmatic.
yes.. Wenger never cared about minizing damage either....a loss was a loss for him... Wenger went for the league as recently as 5 yrs ago. Still in some games towards the end, the team went in already beaten, specially if the squad was weakened by injuries or by wantaway players throwing hissy fits.
 

nick gould

Well-Known Member
The liverpool game left a bad aftertaste in my mouth. I have a PTS. I can't even bring myself to watch the match on Arsenal Player again or even listen to fellow gunners mourning about the match. The only way I can get over it would be if we smack them to a new one on Thursday using 4 at the back with Gabriel and Saliba. Make it happen Arteta. Or just announce Partey and Aouar.
 

Kav

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People gotta stop perpetuating this myth.



https://arsenal-mania.com/forum/threads/granit-xhaka-managers-love-him.34374/page-50#post-5229647



If you can't tell the difference between this and Emery I worry for you. It's brushing over massive differences. It's like calling Pellegrini and Guardiola the same thing or Allardyce and Cholo the same thing just because they share certain stylistic similarities.



I base my comment on Özil not being good and our team not being good enough, like City with Silva maybe, to compensate for an older player like him who is at this point a specialist.



I'd be really interested to know what these comments are based on, lol. Renato is 23, he has matured a lot at Lille and turned into an interesting 6. I wonder if you've watched Kamara. Camavinga is all hype is face palm (Madrid, Bayern, PSG's scouts and football people quite disagree with you) stuff, I wonder too if you've watched him..
I have watched Camavinga but he does not have the exceptional attributes that Fabregas had at 16/17 or that Mbappe had when he was younger. Not even to mention the great Ronaldinho who was doing incredible things as. A teenager. There are those who are good but hyped and there are those who are excellent regardless of any hype or criticism. Camavinga falls into the former. He’s good for his age but I would not have him in my first 22 if I could pick any 22 players around the world. Would you?
 

Kav

Established Member
yes.. Wenger never cared about minizing damage either....a loss was a loss for him... Wenger went for the league as recently as 5 yrs ago. Still in some games towards the end, the team went in already beaten, specially if the squad was weakened by injuries or by wantaway players throwing hissy fits.
I don’t think Wenger ever had an inferiority complex with any opposition. I actually think it was the opposite, he was quite confident that he could beat any team. Though he knew when he was the under dog but he always set his teams up with the potential to win. Scoring goals and creating chances were never an issue under Wenger, the defense was the issue in the latter years. Under Arteta and Emery we struggle to both create chances and score goals. Our shots per game has dropped off a cliff in some seasons but we have become a sturdier team.

Unless we have the right pieces we won’t have the best of both worlds and let’s all be honest. We knew the rebuild would take time. At least 3-4 years.
 

Makingtrax

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theres a reason Arsène packed his squad with midfielders, and why klopp does likewise. Also if your wide forwards cant pin back the opposing fullbacks and keep them honest, then Salah and Mane will cause havoc.

Arteta went into the match already beaten, just like Emery used to do, and in a way like Arsène used to do. An approach built around minimizing damage against the top 4 and tonking everyone else and sneaking into champions league places.

Can still work, but I miss the days when we went again prime barcelona and the fans had hope and the team had pride in their club.
Absolutely right. That's what Arsène did when the weight of fan pressure started to get him . . he resorted to being a reactive manager. Add in some panic buys like Perez and Mustafi, and it's the reason he went backwards.

Arteta needs to get the midfield working and he'll need some purchases. Mari, Cedric, Luiz and Willian will just prove to be another poor window. At least Gabriel might show his worth.
 
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Macho

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Country: England
So far what are Mikel's weaknesses as a manager?
- Leans on experience, reluctant to trust youth
- Late and ineffective subs
- Overly pragmatic and cautious approach to every match
- Management of fringe players could be better. Luckily its nobody influential just yet and no fans, he's been allowed to work in peace so far.

Not that this was asked, but strengths:

- tactically he is very strong
- man management seems great, has the senior players onside when our previous managers have failed this
- communication is superb - to players and media
- has an aura of authority and confidence - easy to forget this is his first managerial job and learning as he goes along

All in my opinion of course.
 

BigPoppaPump

Reeling from Laca & Kos nightmares
- Leans on experience, reluctant to trust youth
- Late and ineffective subs
- Overly pragmatic and cautious approach to every match
- Management of fringe players could be better. Luckily its nobody influential just yet and no fans, he's been allowed to work in peace so far.

Not that this was asked, but strengths:

- tactically he is very strong
- man management seems great, has the senior players onside when our previous managers have failed this
- communication is superb - to players and media
- has an aura of authority and confidence - easy to forget this is his first managerial job and learning as he goes along

All in my opinion of course.

Tbh all your strengths sound like the same thing apart from 'tactically he's very strong' which doesn't mean much.

Arteta still has a lot to prove, too many people singing his praises for the minimum.
 

Macho

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Tbh all your strengths sound like the same thing apart from 'tactically he's very strong' which doesn't mean much.

Arteta still has a lot to prove, too many people singing his praises for the minimum.
Now that you mention it, they do overlap. Especially communication and man management I guess.

Tactics is his USP anyways I think. I would have though youth development would have been one of them but so far this season + FA cup semi finals onwards he’s refrained from using them.
 

Moah

Well-Known Member
- Leans on experience, reluctant to trust youth
- Late and ineffective subs
- Overly pragmatic and cautious approach to every match
- Management of fringe players could be better. Luckily its nobody influential just yet and no fans, he's been allowed to work in peace so far.

Not that this was asked, but strengths:

- tactically he is very strong
- man management seems great, has the senior players onside when our previous managers have failed this
- communication is superb - to players and media
- has an aura of authority and confidence - easy to forget this is his first managerial job and learning as he goes along

All in my opinion of course.
Adding on that weakness points, I also think he isn't the type of coach for players that are technical but with a passive behavior.

I think sometimes work rate should be swapped with technicality. Meaning some technically gifted players should get a pass for their less work off the ball. I doubt I'm making sense on my description though.
 

Macho

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I think sometimes work rate should be swapped with technicality. Meaning some technically gifted players should get a pass for their less work off the ball. I doubt I'm making sense on my description though.
Nah you make perfect sense. This is how Wenger and the French national team functioned.
This is the angle many Özil fans use to justify his inclusion to the team.

Not sure if it works in the prem currently. You look at the top of the table and it’s clear you need both, but yeah Arteta seems to have very little time the type of players you speak of (Pepe and Özil are good examples).

Im personally not mad at this, the ends justify the means. Usually.

Maybe if he got the players we needs he would be more open to including technical but passive players?
 

AbouCuéllar

Author of A-M essays 📚
I'm not sure how much more Arteta could do re: youth development, tbh, Saka has continued to improve under him, AMN has improved, Nketiah has come in and become a part of the team where Emery didn't trust him, young players finally have a coherent tactical instruction.

I guess you could say Nelson but he's gotta balance results in a time where we are desperate for results, and he's got a player who in terms of tactical maturity is basically a youth player, in Pepe, in front of him.

I guess Ceballos wouldn't be called youth development but he also, unsurprisingly, made use of the talent there that Basque Mark Hughes didn't.
 

Moah

Well-Known Member
Nah you make perfect sense. This is how Wenger and the French national team functioned.
This is the angle many Özil fans use to justify his inclusion to the team.

Not sure if it works in the prem currently. You look at the top of the table and it’s clear you need both, but yeah Arteta seems to have very little time the type of players you speak of (Pepe and Özil are good examples).

Im personally not mad at this, the ends justify the means. Usually.

Maybe if he got the players we needs he would be more open to including technical but passive players?
That's the reason I think we need Partey more than Aouar, because their won't be a place for him if he is passive and not confident as they say.

Going to a back four will be critical for anything regarding creativity to happen though, playing three at the back is the most boring strategy in football unless you play quality teams.
 

Makingtrax

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If he keeps winning people will praise his no nonsense style, great communication, drive and tactics.

But if he gets a few losses and starts to sink back to 8th, all that will dissolve, even freezing out Özil and Guendouzi will be raised.

It's a results based business, with no realism thrown in. Fans work on a hindsight basis and will build a narrative of supposed faults (that they'd seen at the time :lol:).
 

BigPoppaPump

Reeling from Laca & Kos nightmares
If he keeps winning people will praise his no nonsense style, great communication, drive and tactics.

But if he gets a few losses and starts to sink back to 8th, all that will dissolve, even freezing out Özil and Guendouzi will be raised.

It's a results based business, with no realism thrown in. Fans work on a hindsight basis and will build a narrative of supposed faults (that they'd seen at the time :lol:).

I wonder when Arsenal fans will realise it's because of the level of the playing squad at Arsenal and that Arteta will probably achieve the same as Arsène and emery did with this squad.

People keep praising his 'great communication' which I don't really get tbh. His tactics can't be that good since we concede a lot of shots and barely make any. I feel like a lot of the praise he gets is based off vibes tbh.
 

Manberg

Predator
He’s doing a brilliant job. The 2 trophies already won so soon in his managerial career’s an incredible achievement. I have full hope that he will deliver our goal of top 4 this season. I won’t judge him by games against Liverpool and City, those 2 clubs are currently in a league of their own in terms of squad quality.
 

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