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Exactly why the tweet that got posted and deleted was nonsenseOpta has only existed since 2004 I think - before that it was your eyes.
Stats weren't that sophisticated in Vieira's pomp.
Exactly why the tweet that got posted and deleted was nonsenseOpta has only existed since 2004 I think - before that it was your eyes.
I'd say these times are way better in some ways. Very good players especially non-white players were much easier to deny back then with bias commentary and etc.None of us back then needed an overload of stats to know how great Vieria was, because we were all normal football fans who used our eyes.
Better times.
lol pretty muchWhy do so many people think Vieira was a DM though, how did that happen exactly...is it actually just because he is a tall black guy?
My favourite thing about Vieira (apart from the ****housery) was when he'd win the ball back take a man on and break into a sprint driving into the opponents half. With those long legs he looked both awkward and graceful at the same time.
Stuff like stats don't really matter when it comes to a player like Vieira. I doubt you'd be able to find an Arsenal fan who saw him play regularly that didn't think he was a phenomenal footballer and leader.
Someone like Vieira must shake his head when he sees the likes of Xhaka and Elneny starting for us against major clubs like Man City.
No Edgar Davids wore goggles so he was probably rightly seen as a more advanced, flairy player.Do people think Davids was a DM too?
Why do so many people think Vieira was a DM though, how did that happen exactly...is it actually just because he is a tall black guy?
Do people think Davids was a DM too?
lol pretty much
But also, the role has changed since then. Central midfielders were much more rounded compared to now, they we're a bit more defensive minded but could still attack.
Makalele kinda made the sitting defend only midfielder famous (not saying he started it I wouldn't know), before centre mids did it all. Keane, Redknapp etc - they were never amazing going forward or defending but did it all.
Have you ever noticed how many times Partey is referred to as a throw back midfielder by commentary/media?
No Edgar Davids wore goggles so he was probably rightly seen as a more advanced, flairy player.
I'd say it has been influenced by the media a lot, it has probably slowed down a lot but they used to make quite general remarks about black players calling them physical type words rather than using technical ones. I'm sure there were a lot of weird words about Yaya Toure, but what made him special is him being a beast but also a sensational footballer. There's now doubt that somewhere some old white men commentators have complimented Partey, saying his added physcality is a breathe of fresh air in the Arsenal team without mentioning the fact he's one of the best ball carriers from midfield in the world, and a great distributor too.It happened when we signed Partey too. A lot of fans were obsessed with the idea that he was a 'Destroyer' when he's far more than that. It was weird.
I can't see it as being anything other than subconscious racism to be honest.
If you're a black, well built midfielder you could play like Pirlo and you'd still get labelled as a destroyer by a lot of fans. It's a shame really.
it's stereotyping yeah, I don't know about outright racism. It's more the pundits and media have a blindspot to players outside the league than anything.It happened when we signed Partey too. A lot of fans were obsessed with the idea that he was a 'Destroyer' when he's far more than that. It was weird.
I can't see it as being anything other than subconscious racism to be honest.
If you're a black, well built midfielder you could play like Pirlo and you'd still get labelled as a destroyer by a lot of fans. It's a shame really.
I miss those days, I felt like there were so many quality players in so many teams. Juve, Madrid, Milan, Inter, Barca, Arsenal, United, Chelsea were absolutely brimming with quality players. I'm not sure what has happened, there are definitely less impressive players around these days.I was proper heartbroken when Sp**s signed him, even though he had nothing to do with Arsenal
He was such a cool player back then...any football game I had, got to use/sign Edgar!
It's the coaching. Players are more efficient and tactically astute - athletic but not as much flair. You see it with our youth products even, the majority are minimalist players with defensive responsibility ingrained into them. I think Neymar is the last of that ilk personally.I miss those days, I felt like there were so many quality players in so many teams. Juve, Madrid, Milan, Inter, Barca, Arsenal, United, Chelsea were absolutely brimming with quality players. I'm not sure what has happened, there are definitely less impressive players around these days.
I'd say it has been influenced by the media a lot, it has probably slowed down a lot but they used to make quite general remarks about black players calling them physical type words rather than using technical ones. I'm sure there were a lot of weird words about Yaya Toure, but what made him special is him being a beast but also a sensational footballer. There's now doubt that somewhere some old white men commentators have complimented Partey, saying his added physcality is a breathe of fresh air in the Arsenal team without mentioning the fact he's one of the best ball carriers from midfield in the world, and a great distributor too.
it's stereotyping yeah, I don't know about outright racism. It's more the pundits and media have a blindspot to players outside the league than anything.
I remember when Ndombele came to Sp**s, we all now know he's a number 8/more attacking but I remember sky pundits describing him as a destroyer as well, rather than admitting they had never seen him play
Admittedly these media outlets are making more of an effort to not do that as much.
lol pretty much
But also, the role has changed since then. Central midfielders were much more rounded compared to now, they we're a bit more defensive minded but could still attack.
Makalele kinda made the sitting defend only midfielder famous (not saying he started it I wouldn't know), before centre mids did it all. Keane, Redknapp etc - they were never amazing going forward or defending but did it all.
Have you ever noticed how many times Partey is referred to as a throw back midfielder by commentary/media?