Mikel Arteta: Aston La Vista To The Title?

[Flying Okapis]

I don't see why Mikel's job should hinge on EL success or failure. If we do win the EL then we will have beat 1 team (Man Utd) who are above or equal to our level, every other team we will have beaten we should damn well beat. Mikel should not be excused for this truly awful season for the sake of 1 good win in my opinion.

I do feel sorry for him in many ways as I think at least a few of his troubles could have been avoided if he had a Terry Phelan, Brian Kidd, Ray Lewington type assistant. However it's too late for me, I am definitely in the camp of 'sack him whatever happens' now, my patience has run out and I consider myself a pretty patient kind of guy.

Agreed, if we were to win the EL there is still no reason I want Arteta taking us through another transfer window and managing in the CL.

We are barely scraping through in the EL but atleast we dont have to watch the 10goal ties against the likes of Bayern etc..

**** that for now, performances are **** enough against the **** clubs!

 

[Rimaal]

Every player has a certain level or form or confidence throughout their career they aren't machines. He's also under a different manager and with a different team these things matter.

I've always liked Willian in his Chelsea days so to me, this wishy washy form is not new at all (apart for the extended duration of this current slump).

The deal stinks but the squad is shy of experience so signing an experienced attacker wasn't a horrendous call - it just shouldn't have been Willian or this contract. Edu clearly had other dodgy ideas but I think Arteta genuinely wanted him onboard for footballing reasons.

Different Manager? He's a chelsea player ffs. he got a different manager very 18 months ffs.

It was utterly horrendous. Everyone with eyes, who bothered to watch Willian last year with Chelsea would have known it. He's been out of form with them, was to be reduced to a bench player in a pinch. But of course, Arsenal is always there for the rescue.

And for the record. I too liked Willian at Chelsea, and that's where he should have stayed.


Don't bother defending the deal any further. As you said, many here did not want him. Arteta's judgement is not to be trusted, we had final proof of that last Thursday

 

[Makingtrax]

All that matters is you are in the CL next season.

Didn’t seem to matter to all those fans who said ‘top 4 isn’t a trophy’. But then again, expectations and standards have taken a bit of a tumble amongst Arsenal fans.

 

[Macho]

Different Manager? He's a chelsea player ffs. he got a different manager very 18 months ffs.

It was utterly horrendous. Everyone with eyes, who bothered to watch Willian last year with Chelsea would have known it. He's been out of form with them, was to be reduced to a bench player in a pinch. But of course, Arsenal is always there for the rescue.

And for the record. I too liked Willian at Chelsea, and that's where he should have stayed.


Don't bother defending the deal any further. As you said, many here did not want him. Arteta's judgement is not to be trusted, we had final proof of that last Thursday

I don't hate Willian as much as you nor do I care how much Arsenal pay their players I'm afraid.

Signings don't always work out, that's just life.

 

[Makingtrax]

Willian is on £100k a week. Another example of people twisting the truth to suit their rabid dog mentality.

Have you got a reliable link for that?

 

[dka1]

I've not looked at the first page, but all I remember regarding those who gave the reasons for not signing him back then, were the length of contract, him being ex-chelsea and his wages. Most acknowledged he was a good player.

It's very true that some people didn't want him because of his age and the length of contract (which tbh is reason enough, ability aside).

But quite a number of people...Hunta, Troopz, Rich, GDeep didn't want him because they thought he'd be a bum and wouldn't perform well enough.

If I'm honest ability wasn't the main issue for me, I thought he was the complete wrong profile of player and it didn't make sense to sign him after we just dropped 72 gs on Pepe. And I thought he'd suck in his last year and that we weren't learning from Özil.

It then turned out worse, but we shouldn't have touched him in the first place.

 

[dka1]

Have you got a reliable link for that?

 

[Macho]

Have you got a reliable link for that?

If you don't rate Arteta Willian is paid £200kpw - which is true.
If you like Arteta, Willian's base salary is around £100kpw - which is also true.

capisce?

It's been discussed several times in this thread to be fair, but it's essentially A-M politics.

 

[AbouCuéllar]

Tbf, including signing bonuses, it looks like it's somewhere closer to 180-200k a week (£10,000) a year:

Willian da Silva

Willian da Silva contract and salary cap details, contract breakdowns, dead money, and news.

www.spotrac.com

It was a poor signing, no doubt, would've been much better off putting that money toward James, for example, or going for Buendía, but you could see the thinking, a trusted player who managers love, to bring some quality and experience to our attack and club. Poor scouting though, because red flags should've been raised about his level, but I don't understand why that is all on Arteta...

@Makingtrax

We don't really have any reliable reports of Willian's wages, tbh, but the more reliable ones as I recall at the time were saying he was on £100k. Daily Mail and british tabloids are the only ones that reported that £200k stuff. This one I post above probably makes sense, £100k plus the signing bonus that comes typically with free transfers.

 

[Rimaal]

I don't hate Willian as much as you nor do I care how much Arsenal pay their players I'm afraid.

Signings don't always work out, that's just life.

I don't hate him at all. I loved him at Chelsea pre-2019. but even at his very best he had howlers in him. I hate the deal.

So, you can burn that strawman.

 

[Macho]

I don't hate him at all. I loved him at Chelsea pre-2019. but even at his very best he had howlers in him. I hate the deal.

So, you can burn that strawman.

How am I being straw??!

It's the truth I don't particularly care what Arsenal spend it's not my bills and I am quite happy to turn a blind eye and ignore Willian's entire Arsenal career.

I'm a Pepe fan, you're an Özil fan - these things wouldn't be possible if we were Arsenal accountants or am I wrong?

 

[Makingtrax]

If you don't rate Arteta Willian is paid £200kpw - which is true.
If you like Arteta, Willian's base salary is around £100kpw - which is also true.

capisce?

It's been discussed several times in this thread to be fair, but it's essentially A-M politics.

As I understand it ‘Spotrac‘ is the most reliable source for sports contracts and salaries, as that’s what they specialise in, and they have him as a £30m deal over 3years, which is about £190K a week.

 

[Jury]

And I thought he'd suck in his last year and that we weren't learning from Özil.

That's not the case though. That's just a baseless theory born of frustration. It's just a bit of mud slinging.

 

[Makingtrax]

@Makingtrax

We don't really have any reliable reports of Willian's wages, tbh, but the more reliable ones as I recall at the time were saying he was on £100k. Daily Mail and british tabloids are the only ones that reported that £200k stuff. This one I post above probably makes sense, £100k plus the signing bonus that comes typically with free transfers.

Yes that’s the best source. So that’s £100K a week salary plus £4.8m a year signing on bonus. Which means he costs the club the equivalent of £190K a week.

 

[dka1]

That's not the case though. That's just a baseless theory born of frustration.

That a player that is a winger (not a defender or even a midfielder) and will be 34 entering the last year might decline to the point that he sucks in his third year is a baseless theory?

How is that a baseless theory....I'd call that a legitimate concern.

In fact so legitimate that instead of rapidly declining by the third year he's already waning in the first...

 

[Macho]

I don't even know what this page is about anymore tbh lol, my main beef with Willian was blocking players who I believe are better or have more upside but this is no longer the case, so I'm kinda like whatever now.

With his accomplishments in football and him being on a free, he was well within his rights to seek these kind of wages, it's just a shame that we are paying them. We are paying 90% of Özil's salary till this day and we didn't even know until recently, so I wouldn't stay awake thinking about these things - Arsenal is gonna Arsenal.

The result today decides Arteta's future, not whatever we are paying Willian.

 

[Rex Stone]

He hasn't declined in that space of time--no more than what's normal anyway, which is not enough to notice unless it's exacerbated by injury. In theory, because he's played in the prem for so long, you'd think it'd be the smoothest of transitions, but there are obviously more factors which have affected him, and others. FWIW, he's looked very sharp for a fair bit now. Had some very good games when he's started actually, but it's frowned upon to acknowledge.

I thought first three games for us he looked sensational then he turned to sh*t very quickly afterwards.

I don’t know if it’s the system or what but last year post restart the guy just looked hungry. Sprinting everywhere and pressing like a madman.

Now he looks absolutely devoid of confidence so you’re right that we have no idea what’s left in his legs but with such a flop of a first year it’s hard to see him turning it around the next two years.

 

[Jury]

That a player that is a winger (not a defender or even a midfielder) and will be 34 entering the last year might decline to the point that he sucks in his third year is a baseless theory?

How is that a baseless theory....I'd call that a legitimate concern.

In fact so legitimate that instead of rapidly declining by the third year he's already waning in the first...

Ok, it's a concern then. We're all concerned about a lot of things that we wont ever know the answers to though. Judging his performances is far easier on the mind.

 

[Jury]

I thought first three games for us he looked sensational then he turned to sh*t very quickly afterwards.

I don’t know if it’s the system or what but last year post restart the guy just looked hungry. Sprinting everywhere and pressing like a madman.

Now he looks absolutely devoid of confidence so you’re right that we have no idea what’s left in his legs but with such a flop of a first year it’s hard to see him turning it around the next two years.

He probably wont get the chance to turn it around. He's an expensive squaddie until we're stuck by injury and then he'll have to come in a pull up trees to stay in the side. It didn't turn out good for us.

 

[MikelHadADream]

Yes that’s the best source. So that’s £100K a week salary plus £4.8m a year signing on bonus. Which means he costs the club the equivalent of £190K a week.

190k a week sounds bad, but you have to take into account that no transfer fee was paid. Take Pepe for example, he costs the club approx 20m a season, if you take into account the reported transfer fee and wages, which is approx 380k pw (not bashing him btw).

I'm in now way endorsing the transfer, it was a disaster in hindsight, but just feel the "200k" people band about lacks a bit of context.