So Klopp thinks we're midtable?
Yep. And he's right.
So Klopp thinks we're midtable?
Except inflation for players has not been nearly a 400 percent increase in fact since Covid transfer prices have not grown nearly as fast. It isn’t one purchase by one team it is the fact that teams like Everton, Leicester, Villa, and West Ham can spend more on transfers and can retain their best players more easily. The objective numbers are there to show it these clubs spend more now than any other club in Germany other than Bayern. More than all but 3 Spanish clubs and a more than all but 3 or 4 Italian clubs. I forgot the eyeball test is conclusive, funny how these stats don’t matter.No difference to Newcastle blowing £10m on Albert Luque back in the day. Inflation would be the term I guess.
Why did Liverpool and Chelsea do everything to bottle top four? They could get away with a few injuries and still win a few years ago, but now you have the likes of Fulham and Newcastle going to Anfield and coming away with something.
How would Chelsea's managerial choice effect the toughness of the league as a whole?Well Chelsea had a manager who was a total dosser for six months
Doesn’t help the “league is stronger” narrative when you have Fat Frank in the dugout.
How would Chelsea's managerial choice effect the toughness of the league as a whole?
This doesn't prove anything. Bayern can bully any Bundesliga clubs and take their players for peanuts. They don't need to worry about paying huge fees when the Bundesliga is practically their own Hale End ffs. Look at how much they signed the likes of Sule, Kimmich, Gnabry etc.
West Ham and Leicester spent more than Munich in last 5 years on transfers, I am sure that was a regular occurrence in the nostalgia based golden age, of whenever that was.
Yes stats that fit your agenda matter but stats that rebut it don’t matterThis doesn't prove anything. Bayern can bully any Bundesliga clubs and take their players for peanuts. They don't need to worry about paying huge fees when the Bundesliga is practically their own Hale End ffs. Look at how much they signed the likes of Sule, Kimmich, Gnabry etc.
Joke league!
Spot on, the last few pages are joke. In terms of revenues the gap between the so called top 6 teams and the rest is getting ever wider every year. The top 6 earned a lot more more than the whole of the other 14 put together. And the gap between the top and the bottom is the widest it’s ever been. Most teams spend around 70% of income on salaries which means the rich teams can be so much more attractive.I don't see how anyone can still argue this seeing how awful all the teams outside the top 4 are, fcking West Ham are one of the best teams. Sp**s and United sacked their managers for being awful but still in the race for top 4. All the teams outside the top 4 being on negative goal difference. Look at how many amateur coaches we have as well.
Why do you keep saying "best" or "strongest"? The thread title is about the league being tougher, as in there's more parity than there has been in the past.You go from prime Fergie, Wenger and Mourinho to Mikel, Lamps and Ole.
Then you have a top four race with managers who weren’t good enough for Utd or Liverpool half a decade ago. Hardly the best it’s ever been is it?
As to your point about Fulham getting a win at Anfield that looks more of a one off due to empty stadiums.
They’re unbeaten at home this year and have only dropped points to City and Chelsea.
Why do you keep saying "best" or "strongest"? The thread title is about the league being tougher, as in there's more parity than there has been in the past.
You have to look at the totality of the league, I don't think you can judge a league solely based on the best teams. Otherwise the Bundesliga wouldn't have been slandered as much even during the years of Bayern + Klopp's Dortmund.Tougher necessitates a strong league.
If you take Covid out the picture I’d argue the top of the league are still as dominant as they’ve ever been.
Except inflation for players has not been nearly a 400 percent increase in fact since Covid transfer prices have not grown nearly as fast. It isn’t one purchase by one team it is the fact that teams like Everton, Leicester, Villa, and West Ham can spend more on transfers and can retain their best players more easily. The objective numbers are there to show it these clubs spend more now than any other club in Germany other than Bayern. More than all but 3 Spanish clubs and a more than all but 3 or 4 Italian clubs. I forgot the eyeball test is conclusive, funny how these stats don’t matter.
You are delusional if you think the financial advantage was like this 20 years ago. As others explained the foreign TV deals handed league a huge cash cow. Real always doesn’t most on transfers in 2000s they have fallen off. Barca this year can’t even retain Messi. The players once at these clubs are either going to Paris or the Pl. No way Everton and Villa used to outspend Nadrid and Munich in 2000s or clubs.Again the PL clubs have had big cash to spend a lot longer than the last couple of years. You had clubs like Middlesbrough and Villa spending over £10m on players as far back as the early 2000's, Fulham another one. You wouldn't have found many mid table clubs in Germany or Spain spending that kind of dough at that time period. It really isn't a recent development.
You are delusional if you think the financial advantage was like this 20 years ago. As others explained the foreign TV deals handed league a huge cash cow. Real always doesn’t most on transfers in 2000s they have fallen off. Barca this year can’t even retain Messi. The players once at these clubs are either going to Paris or the Pl. No way Everton and Villa used to outspend Nadrid and Munich in 2000s or clubs.
Yes but last 5 years they beat super clubs in spending that never happened beforeI've never once compared clubs like Everton/Villa spending to Bayern or Real, that's just silly.
I'm pretty certain that the spending of clubs like Everton/Villa has been much higher than a Sociedad or a Stuttgart for a lot than the last couple of seasons though.