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It’s the average points per game between the two groups.Not sure what that first graph is, but it's not average PPG for the big six.
It’s the average points per game between the two groups.Not sure what that first graph is, but it's not average PPG for the big six.
Yeah but the first group isn't the big six. Just look at the final league tables from those years, the numbers are off. The second group isn't the rest of the league either, that looks like average relegation PPG.It’s the average points per game between the two groups.
Mate the blue line is the top 6 v bottom 14 and the brown line is the bottom 14 v the top 6 . . average points per game per season.Yeah but the first group isn't the big six. Just look at the final league tables from those years, the numbers are off. The second group isn't the rest of the league either, that looks like average relegation PPG.
Ahh I'm with you, that makes sense. Wonder what the last couple of seasons would look like, us and Sp**s have been so **** the gaps probably narrowed.Mate the blue line is the top 6 v bottom 14 and the brown line is the bottom 14 v the top 6 . . average points per game per season.
Interestingly, the gap of revenues continues to increase between the top 6 and the rest, but you’re right, the managerial problems at Arsenal and Sp**s has probably slowed that trend increase.Ahh I'm with you, that makes sense. Wonder what the last couple of seasons would look like, us and Sp**s have been so **** the gaps probably narrowed.
The debate is about Arsenal, and the league has clearly been getting ever easier for all top 6 clubs as the data shows.Doesn't this question need to be better defined? What about the premier league is potentially harder? And for Whom?
And here’s another for you @AbouCuéllar. The number of points it takes to finish in each position of the league. You can see by the spread in the top positions that they’re getting stronger, upward trend lines. But the rest of the teams are getting weaker, downward trend lines.
As usual, I’m not sure you’ll answer any of these points. But you really ought to if you’re going to keep up this nonsense. Or at least provide some data of your own.
Or perhaps those putting likes on your posts, like @Dj_sds - or @drippin would like to comment.
Here's the league from 2011 and top 6 are already bossing the league. Positions 1 to 6 in the table.Like I said before, the fact that there is talk of the big six / top 6 proves that the league has gotten harder, there was no talk of the big six 10 years ago.
And back then Sp**s were spending more than Arsenal. The only reason they weren't mentioned in the same breath was because of Arsène.Nobody would have mentioned Sp**s in the same breath as arsenal back then.
We're talking about competitiveness within the league. The relative difference between the Prem and other Europe leagues is totally irrelevant.The top clubs have since then had managers who could more efficiently utilize the ever increasing revenues of these clubs. Hence the premier league has again become more dominant in Europe, this wasn't the case between 2010-2016.
The graphs clearly shows that the top 6 are getting less and less competition from the rest of the clubs.The graph shows that the big 6 clubs are becoming more consistent and the level required to get champions league football has gotten higher, there is less margin for error (proof league has gotten harder).
Just you going off on your usual Wenger hate, got nothing to do with the discussion about the league getting harder.Fault lies solely with the clowns who were running this club (including wenger) and ruining the foundations he built. The man had nothing left to prove after the work he had done up until 2011(- 2014) and it would be logical that he didn't have the same drive, ambition and hunger as when he started his managerial career, this happens in all professions. Wenger just couldn't cope anymore and the sooner you can accept that, the sooner you can move on.
Fantastic post.Like I said before, the fact that there is talk of the big six / top 6 proves that the league has gotten harder, there was no talk of the big six 10 years ago. Nobody would have mentioned Sp**s in the same breath as arsenal back then. I also mentioned that a manager with conte's pedigree would have never gone to Sp**s prior to 2015. The exponential increase in revenue and the influx of top foreign managers coming to the premier league was the catalyst for the level of competitiveness we see now. The top clubs have since then had managers who could more efficiently utilize the ever increasing revenues of these clubs. Hence the premier league has again become more dominant in Europe, this wasn't the case between 2010-2016.
The graph shows that the big 6 clubs are becoming more consistent and the level required to get champions league football has gotten higher, there is less margin for error (proof league has gotten harder). It is not surprising that once klopp, pep, pochettino and to a lesser degree mourinho came to the premier league arsenal dropped out of the top 4. Liverpool and Sp**s closed the gap and even surpassed us during this period. This wasn't because of the kroenkes, squad cost or fan pressure. Fault lies solely with the clowns who were running this club (including wenger) and ruining the foundations he built. The man had nothing left to prove after the work he had done up until 2011(- 2014) and it would be logical that he didn't have the same drive, ambition and hunger as when he started his managerial career, this happens in all professions. Wenger just couldn't cope anymore and the sooner you can accept that, the sooner you can move on.
Good luck with that one! Trust me, that will never happen! Think we will hear about the league position in 2015/16 (2nd in case it is unclear) for another decade at least...the sooner you can accept that, the sooner you can move on.
Are you implying that, if Wenger would have stayed on, and KSE would have invested like they have over the last 4 years, that we would now be challenging for the league title?Arsenal have never in the history of club found themselves in a better position to win the league.
As always just taking a view from real data produced by professionals.Are you implying that, if Wenger would have stayed on, and KSE would have invested like they have over the last 4 years, that we would now be challenging for the league title?
Like I said before, the fact that there is talk of the big six / top 6 proves that the league has gotten harder, there was no talk of the big six 10 years ago. Nobody would have mentioned Sp**s in the same breath as arsenal back then. I also mentioned that a manager with conte's pedigree would have never gone to Sp**s prior to 2015. The exponential increase in revenue and the influx of top foreign managers coming to the premier league was the catalyst for the level of competitiveness we see now. The top clubs have since then had managers who could more efficiently utilize the ever increasing revenues of these clubs. Hence the premier league has again become more dominant in Europe, this wasn't the case between 2010-2016.
Great analysis and visuals in that link. Can’t help but be sad reading though, makes me wonder what will change over the next decade if any.So that's this thread put to bed then. For the top 6 the Premier league is getting easier and easier. And especially for Arsenal. No anecdotal stuff, the data is clear.
Financial disparity
Yes all the clubs have been getting more money but the top 6 have been getting way more. And more importantly the gap is increasing. And for those who doubt this here is a suberb series of tweets by Swiss Ramble to prove it (at the bottom)). And there are plenty of others providing data on this. More revenue equals more wages and better players.
Growing performance gap
It's a complete myth about the middle and lower teams getting better and making it harder for the top 6. They're not. Again there is a mountain of evidence showing the gap growing and here is one of the best articles showing the data getting wider over the years.
Premiership top 6 vs bottom 14
Arsenals position within the top 6
Arsenal have traditionally been investing 5th in their squad for some years. Yet the last 4 years, after sales the club has outlayed the most money out of the top 6 , £341m (transfermarkt), level with United, almost double Liverpool, Sp**s and Chelsea and £120m more than City. Nobody can fault KSE's recent massive investment.
Arsenal have never in the history of club found themselves in a better position to win the league. Finishing 8th has been criminal. With a good manager we should be challenging for the title, as all this data shows.
Thanks bro. It's not going to change anytime soon. Football is completely broken for the likes of Norwich. All those clubs below the top 6 now have a ceiling that only a very very occasional fluke can break through.Great analysis and visuals in that link. Can’t help but be sad reading though, makes me wonder what will change over the next decade if any.