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Ceballos & consistency in the same sentence is some good humour. Nice one from the Great Mitcho.And how about when we extended his loan and he was trash for a whole season?
Ceballos & consistency in the same sentence is some good humour. Nice one from the Great Mitcho.And how about when we extended his loan and he was trash for a whole season?
I heard LeBron James said he has great potential.
Unless he develops as a player and all of this changes.
Ufff just had a look at his FBref, confirms what his youtube video looked like, just your typical destroyer that really has no place whatsoever in our style of play or in any top side's midfield. Perhaps Lille's playing style has an effect there, don't know what kind of style they play, but still, poor man's Bissouma profile in Ligue 1 is not promising at all. Much prefer to spend our time developing Lokonga at the 6, a player who at least has the potential to be starter level at the 6...
Lokonga the far more interesting prospect: https://fbref.com/en/jugadores/1b4f1169/Albert-Sambi-Lokonga
Need to put an end to A-M's obsession with incredibly limited destroyers. Look around the world and no top side uses these players--the profile of good destroyers like Casemiro, Fabinho, and Kante have no comparison, they have never had anything like the passing involvement or lack thereof that people like this or Bissouma do. The absolute god level of this type of player, N'Didi, is still at Leicester.
Didn't i bury you enough yesterday?Unless he develops as a player and all of this changes.
I wouldn’t rule out a 20yo talented limited player from using their talent to improve their their game over time. We see it with all the top players, why couldn’t we be seeing that with him?
I don’t actually know anything about this player but his physical profile is nuts, could be worth a cheap punt if they think the talent is there.
Ceballos & consistency in the same sentence is some good humour. Nice one from the Great Mitcho.
We definitely had a chance. Interest, probably not.I don't think we had much chance or interest in Bissouma.
Bissouma gets now UCL and Sp**s can basically promise him a starting spot over their midfield players. Here he would have Partey in front of him.
We don't have two important midfield players going to AFCON in the future.
Didn't i bury you enough yesterday?
Where can I find this chief?
Hickey thread, page 19, time of death 1:07pmWhere can I find this chief?
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Hickey thread, page 19, time of death 1:07pm
Not if he's backing this tree Onana.Gotta back my boy @Trilly here and say he was only clowning, he knows ball.
Not if he's backing this tree Onana.
Get a room.Not sure @Trilly said anything wrong? He's a young player with brilliant physical attributes and can develop their game over time. I think he's spot on.
Unless he develops as a player and all of this changes.
I wouldn’t rule out a 20yo talented limited player from using their talent to improve their their game over time. We see it with all the top players, why couldn’t we be seeing that with him?
I don’t actually know anything about this player but his physical profile is nuts, could be worth a cheap punt if they think the talent is there.
Do you think it's the same if you compare stats of a 20 year old midfielder to a 23 year old midfielder, when the other plays for a team that finished 10th, while the other played for a team that finished top 3 every year in Monaco? And is that season you compare to the title winning season?There is simply no comparison between Kanté and the profile of players like this and Bissouma.
I'll say it again, players this uninvolved in possession is a huge red flag, like with Willock when I made the argument that he just doesn't have the potential to play as a midfielder at Arsenal, they are hidden for a reason, and it's really a profile that just isn't suitable at all for the top level.
Onana attempted 42 passes per game (42nd percentile), with 53.53 touches per game (29th percentile), and 2.95 progressive passes (23rd percentile).
In Kanté's season most uninvolved in possession, he attempted 59.3 passes (69th percentile), with 70.99 touches per game (70th percentile), and 3.75 progressive passes (36th). *
*unfortunately data pre 17-18, from when he was at Caen as a younger player here isn't available
Fabinho at 23 in in Ligue 1 for Monaco:
58.12 passes attempted (79th percentile), 67.88 touches (75th), and 5.32 progressive passes (79th percentile).
Unfortunately I can't think of a player in the destroyer's role who was at the age of Onana post 2017-18, I guess you could compare to Tchouameni's age 19 season, for example:
54.54 (70th), 5.44 (82nd), 64.34 (59th)
I just don't think there's such scope for players so limited and uninvolved in possession to develop into much. It's less provable in Onana's case where, despite his even weaker profile in involvement than Bissouma's, there's at least the confounding variables of team set-up, age, and rawness, but yeah, to see a player that uninvolved and absent in possession is really a massive red flag, and you can pretty much safely discard them just with a look at their stats. None of the few destroyers successful at the top level have an even somewhat similar profile.
In short, players like Bissouma and Onana lack basic midfield skills that are essential if you want to play in the midfield at a high level team: a) personality to get on the ball and not be a hidden man in possession, often leaving you like playing with a man less in possession AND/OR b) quality on the ball, so that their managers are forced to hide them to an extreme extent. a) and b) often go together of course.
Yeah, like I said, there isn't data available on those on fbref, pre 2017-18, and admit that the analysis is limited by this.Do you think it's the same if you compare stats of a 20 year old midfielder to a 23 year old midfielder, when the other plays for a team that finished 10th, while the other played for a team that finished top 3 every year in Monaco? And is that season you compare to the title winning season?
Can Onana improve those stats in the future, in a better team? 20 years old for a midfielder is very young.
I just don't think there's such scope for players so limited and uninvolved in possession to develop into much. It's less provable in Onana's case where, despite his even weaker profile in involvement than Bissouma's, there's at least the confounding variables of team set-up, age, and rawness, but yeah, to see a player that uninvolved and absent in possession is really a massive red flag