Fredrik Ljungberg (Out)

[Lord Dula]

Freeing up £70k a week on our wage bill would also help.

 

[RocktheCasbah]

Freddie was rubbish before the goal but I think he's been criticised a bit too much considering it was his first appearance after a long injury. Almost every player needs at least 20 mins to get back into it when they've missed so much football - apart from Hleb that is.

But his goal was definately 2002 vintage.

The thing is, and please let's not mention him destroying Assoit Ekoto as if he's the best full back in the world, that Freddie was rubbish for long spells before he got injured.

 

[Gurgen]

Henry makes 130k a week, is he worth it? I think we all know the answer.

Leave Freddie alone. It's not like he is taking that 70k from our cold dead hands is it? Arsenal offered him that amount, he would be a fool not to accept it. If you want to criticize anyone criticize the board and Wenger.

 

[RocktheCasbah]

"Leave Freddie alone"?

Like he's reading this and thinking "The ungrateful bastards, after I single handedly won them the double in 2002..."?

EDIT: In fact, like he's reading this at all...

 

[Gurgen]

He gets no respect, like Pires last season. Plain and simple.

When a player is in decline physically and can't perform like he used to he gets crucified. Sad really.

 

[RocktheCasbah]

I know what you're saying, it's not his fault he gets picked etc. But it has been painful to watch him over the last 2-3 years and so "respect" is the furthest thing from my mind when watching him. But you know all this already..

 

[Tony Montana]

@ Gurgen. And like Henry to a certain extent now. It's fan culture.

 

[RocktheCasbah]

I think what it is is that fans are a brutal exponent of the old maxim "You're only as good as your last game".

 

[Tony Montana]

I think what it is is that fans are a brutal exponent of the old maxim "You're only as good as your last game".

True. Therefore we should go over the top with the criticism. And when a player has one good game or a few decent games like Diaby we should call him Vieira mark II.

 

[RocktheCasbah]

Alternatively when Diaby has a couple of shockers, we can trot out the "not fit to lace Vieira's boots" jibes... ;-)

 

[patrick42uk]

whats wage got to do with it? 70k is what he's worth because its what the club offered him.

 

[Rohit]

I agree with Gurgen,Freddie deserves respect,not everyone may consider him a legend but he has been here 8 years and given us some amazing memories.

It will be painful to see him leave,that said i think he has to go,this team has evolved now.

We do need a Freddie type player though.It's amazing watching Hleb and Rosicky play together but either one playing along with a Freddie type player on the wing will be more effective.

 

[RocktheCasbah]

I don't think you can say that per se, would Freddie, for example, have made anymore impact than either Hleb or Rosicky when we played Saturday's opponents before Christmas, or even in the away game when down to ten men?

Hleb and Rosicky can graft, make no mistake on that.

 

[phenn]

I don't know about that Rohit, last night Rosicky and Hleb were ****ing magic in the first half. I think a Freddie type player (faster obviously) would slow down some of our play, which can be otherworldly.

As for Freddie, if we get a good offer we should sell him, but he's a useful player to have now and then because he does add something different off the subs bench and he does still have that little bit of magic in him. He won us that game last night. Ali's run was incredible but the finish was as well. If he can win us even two more games, then he's worth it to put him on the sub's bench.

As for his wages... listen when you look back at his career he was value for money. We're not exactly going to change them now I don't think, though if we can obviously that'd be great.

 

[Rohit]

Freddie in his prime would.Don't count the game when we are down to 10 men,it needs different type of players,those that can keep possession.But 11 v 11 i have no doubt that with 2 playmakers already in the midfield we would need a runner and not players wanted to send people through.

I ask you the same question,could Rosicky or Hleb have the same impact like Freddie did in 2002 ?

Goals from midfield are as essential as graft.I hope Rosicky reaches that level though.

 

[RocktheCasbah]

2002 was a clear case of a one off purple patch- Freddie never matched those heights before. Or since.

 

[Rohit]

And hence i said a Freddie-type-player,not Freddie himself.

I have just posted in the Rosicky thread about how much i admire him and always have.I have always been a huge Hleb fan,right since the 2nd game of the season against Chelsea last season.They are amazing players,yet in my opinion with Fabregas orchestrating the midfield we would be more effective,create more chances and score more goals with either Hleb or Rosicky on one wing and a Freddie-in-his-purple-patch type player on the other.

 

[1970*Gooner]

Freddie was rubbish before the goal but I think he's been criticised a bit too much considering it was his first appearance after a long injury. Almost every player needs at least 20 mins to get back into it when they've missed so much football - apart from Hleb that is.

But his goal was definately 2002 vintage.

The thing is, and please let's not mention him destroying Assoit Ekoto as if he's the best full back in the world, that Freddie was rubbish for long spells before he got injured.

Sadly true, he is winding down, he is ok for a sub but a full game ? Likable character but we can't afford to be sentimental.

 

[Rohit]

Freddie was rubbish before the goal but I think he's been criticised a bit too much considering it was his first appearance after a long injury. Almost every player needs at least 20 mins to get back into it when they've missed so much football - apart from Hleb that is.

But his goal was definately 2002 vintage.

The thing is, and please let's not mention him destroying Assoit Ekoto as if he's the best full back in the world, that Freddie was rubbish for long spells before he got injured.

Sadly true, he is winding down, he is ok for a sub but a full game ? Likable character but we can't afford to be sentimental.

I don't think anyone supporting Ljungberg here is being sentimental because they don't want him to leave and believe he warrants his wages.

It's just that he has been a great servant for the club and deserves respect and not the kind of abuse he gets in here.

 

[1970*Gooner]

Freddie was rubbish before the goal but I think he's been criticised a bit too much considering it was his first appearance after a long injury. Almost every player needs at least 20 mins to get back into it when they've missed so much football - apart from Hleb that is.

But his goal was definately 2002 vintage.

The thing is, and please let's not mention him destroying Assoit Ekoto as if he's the best full back in the world, that Freddie was rubbish for long spells before he got injured.

Sadly true, he is winding down, he is ok for a sub but a full game ? Likable character but we can't afford to be sentimental.

I don't think anyone supporting Ljungberg here is being sentimental because they don't want him to leave and believe he warrants his wages.

It's just that he has been a great servant for the club and deserves respect and not the kind of abuse he gets in here.

Sorry I have to disagree with you there about the dosh, I don't think he should be subject to abuse, no Arsenal player should be however, lets be real here he is passed his prime sadly and I for one don't think he warrants a huge pay packet for the kind of performances he has been giving. Nothing personal but I think he has passed his peak.