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Not Emery's Old Pal
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44316394
So BBC pretty much stating just the obvious here, but at least it's something.
So BBC pretty much stating just the obvious here, but at least it's something.
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Aaron Ramsey: BianconAaron
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He has his flaws but I still see him as one of our best players. Emery is experienced anough to get the best out of him, I still think he needs to play further forward, he makes runs into the box that others dont, thats why he scores goals.
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Ramsey----Özil----Mhki
I know this leaves Laca, Iwobi, Welbeck out but I think its his best position.
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Ramsey----Özil----Mhki
I know this leaves Laca, Iwobi, Welbeck out but I think its his best position.
Translated, that would mean Özil does not fit in that structure but at the same time he just signed a huge new contract.
It looks to me that there was/is no real plan how to organize this team.
It all started with Özil transfer where we needed to shift Cazorla (who was at the time one of the best players in the league) out wide to accommodate Özil and result of that was huge drop in form of Cazorla. Luckily for us (and I'm sure that was only luck and not plan), Cazorla was moved again deeper in midfield and it worked out for everyone. Today we have similar problem, but this time, it is much harder to keep Ramsey in his position with Özil on the pitch. Both of them fail to play under pressure and leave us exposed on counter attacks.
The only way this could maybe work is to stop playing Mkhitaryan wide and move him to his preferred central position to support Ramsey and Xhaka, and organize our game. He is currently the only person in this team that can keep the ball under pressure and does his defensive duties .
Downside of this is, Özil would be on the right wing and I would have to listen one more year of excuses that he plays like s**t just because he is not in his number 10 position.
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Emery Gone, Telly Back On
Rosicky and Wilshere shifted Santi wide because he was crap at no. 10. Even scored more and made more assists on the wing.
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Özil with Ramsey and another behind is the only way I see it working. No way you put him on the wing even in Emerys system
Mitch
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Santi got our player of the season in his first season with us at ACM. Santi's poorest season came the following season on the wing. Then the Santi- Coquelin CM partnership worked well for us for a period of time.
Mitch
Blonde Brigade Grand Wizard
I just don't see why we should drop one of our top players in PEA, Laca, Mkhi and Özil to accomdate Ramsey into the team?
This is not Santi's thread but I will leave comment anyway. First of all, saying he was cr*p in number 10 role is cr*p. He was the only reason we were in top 4 and he was brilliant in that role. The first time that people started to say Cazorla is not good enough was when he was playing on the left wing to accommodate princes in his preferred number 10 role. Cazorla was unplayable as advanced playmaker, even though his stats were a bit better out wide, he couldn't control games like he did when deployed central. I still remember people saying he wasn't good enough for CM position also, but to really understand his importance to the team, you need to lose him and experience free fall in terms of quality of our game and table position. He was the guy who would have fun vs City, Liverpool or Chelsea team, something that Ramsey or Özil can only dream about. And to say he lost position to Wilshere is just brutal
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Ramsey plays CM. If Emery is really going to make him a foundational player, I doubt he'll move him from his preferred position. We've already seen that PEA can score for fun from a wide forward position, so if both Laca and him play at once I think he'll be out wide. Mikhi on the other side and then Özil ahead of Ramsey.
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Emery Gone, Telly Back On
The brutal truth, yes.
Now this is cr*p - especially when he only lasted in the role for half a season.
no he wasn't. I remember games like Norwich away that season, he couldn't handle ****.He got found quickly in that role as he basically only wanted the ball at his feet. Couldn't handle the physicality.
Ramsey stays and Ramsey plays, now shut the f*ck up.
It's a good idea but it requires discipline and commitment. Xhaka can't be isolated as he has been so many times. If we get Seri or Torreira, they will play in the middle 3 so Xhaka may be sacrificed. Miki's skill set makes him the least likely to be dropped. Ramsey us going to have to play in a really disciplined manner with a long term consistency not yet seen. Unless Emery moves him higher up the pitch..
TheArsenalis
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The coach decides who the top player. Ima go out on a limb and say ramsey will be the least likely player to be dropped. In the current squad.
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Lidl Tir Na Nog
Mkhi and Laca aren't top players.
Going through debate with people who don't understand things and probably lack the capacity for understanding is pointless, but f*ck it, I'll give my best to make it as simple as possible for you .
1.) The guy was a playmaker, and playmaker wants ball at his feet. That one wasn't that hard I hope.
2.) Don't judge players on one or two away games, overall he was exceptional in that position (and others as well). Some of his best games were against top teams, unlike others at this club. He was able to dominate midfield against City and Chelsea so I'm sure Norwich game was just an exception.
3.) Yes, he couldn't handle physicality, that's why he used dribbling and technical skills to avoid contact. His ball protection was perfect, even when surrounded by 2-3 players. Just because he is small doesn't mean he can't handle big boys. Players like Santi, David Silva and Modric had no problems playing their game in PL. There is a ton of compilations where he made those big guys look like complete idiots.
4.) Wilshere was never in his career close to the level of Santi, when he was in a good form, he got injured and that happened every season. Tough luck and wasted talent, but that's the truth. Santi playing wide was a dumb mistake by Wenger and that didn't last for long, and his idea that he would be good wide just as he was central was maybe the reason why he brought Özil to the club. Santi did play wide sometimes in Villareal, but as he grew older that wasn't his ideal position anymore.
I'm sure you should be able to find videos of him from his first season, you should check them and maybe you will have better understanding of what we were missing for the last two seasons.
You say "He got found quickly in that role", but I would say we found out the hard way how reliant we were on him before.
Longy
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Maybe, but they don't disbalance the team like Ramsey does, and on top of that, Ramsey is even further away from being a top player than these two.
The Cazorla thread is just next door, have a little knock and they'll let you in.
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Wilshere1010
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It would need to be in a 433 really. The last great player who excelled at making late runs was Lampard, and he was at his best with Makelele and Essien/Tiago in midfield with him.
If we go that route it would force Özil and Mkhi both wide, which could work if the full backs provide width. But again it would all feel like square pegs in round holes. Feel like something, or someone, has to give.
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