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Its always the same guys, not worth your time mate.B-but some 300lb kfc experts online swore his injury was fake and he was picking and choosing which games to appear in?
Its always the same guys, not worth your time mate.B-but some 300lb kfc experts online swore his injury was fake and he was picking and choosing which games to appear in?
Some did, some reckoned Arsenal should come before his WC ambitions... Why was he playing V Austria if he was so near to breaking down?B-but some 300lb kfc experts online swore his injury was fake and he was picking and choosing which games to appear in?
FWIW, I think his knee is the real injury. I think the German team know where they are with his back and are probably satisfied they can nurse him through the WC. A troublesome knees obviously presents potential long term risks.
But lets ignore the fact that it's his knee that's the real problem, so the usual mob can say "Seee, it's his baaaack!"
Arsenal knew he had back problems too! There’s not a doubt about him nursing a niggling back problem. Must be sheer coincidence that as soon as a knee problem is mentioned, he’s in danger of missing the WC....No, the DFB said clearly since he joined them he has back problems. The knee came on top in the austria game. If you wanna go in to conspiracies ride the erdogan-topic.
I really don't get all the mass hysteria surrounding their meeting with Erdogan, what makes it such a big deal? .No, the DFB said clearly since he joined them he has back problems. The knee came on top in the austria game. If you wanna go in to conspiracies ride the erdogan-topic. it's still hot here in germany and if u look in the forums of some right wing newspapers it's "to protect özil from the angry mob" since he's not talking to journalists about the topic, even avoided the dfb media day (Gündogan appeared there and answered the journos).
It's pretty easy to follow actually no conspiracy theories needed, he had niggling back injuries throughout the season and wasn't picked to play in a bunch of relatively Meaningless games for us, while he injured his knee in the game against Austria after a pretty robust challenge.Arsenal knew he had back problems too! There’s not a doubt about him nursing a niggling back problem. Must be sheer coincidence that as soon as a knee problem is mentioned, he’s in danger of missing the WC....
At the end of the season mind youIt's pretty easy to follow actually no conspiracy theories needed, he had niggling back injuries throughout the season and wasn't picked to play in a bunch of relatively Meaningless games for us, while he injured his knee in the game against Austria after a pretty robust challenge.
It is indeed very easy to follow—without having to make stuff up. As usual though, when on the topic of Özil, logic seems to go out the window and convenient drivel seems to replace it.It's pretty easy to follow actually no conspiracy theories needed, he had niggling back injuries throughout the season and wasn't picked to play in a bunch of relatively Meaningless games for us, while he injured his knee in the game against Austria after a pretty robust challenge.
It is indeed very easy to follow—without having to make stuff up. As usual though, when on the topic of Özil, logic seems to go out the window and convenient drivel seems to replace it.
I really don't get all the mass hysteria surrounding their meeting with Erdogan, what makes it such a big deal? .
Hypocracy is real tho...going to a game a against Saudi Arabia in the BAYER-arena (who just bought monsanto or are about to) to prepare for a WC in Russia. Let's hyperventilate about pictures.- in the above debate an event like the Gundogan/Özil/Erdogan incident is an easy target for rising right wingers
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You’re talking to @Jury here mate. The guy is probably scouring German forums, trying to find people willing to start an Özil lynch mob with him, and looking up group tickets to Russia on BudgetAir.It's pretty easy to follow actually no conspiracy theories needed, he had niggling back injuries throughout the season and wasn't picked to play in a bunch of relatively Meaningless games for us, while he injured his knee in the game against Austria after a pretty robust challenge.
Hypocracy is real tho...going to a game a against Saudi Arabia in the BAYER-arena (who just bought monsanto or are about to) to prepare for a WC in Russia. Let's hyperventilate about pictures.
Let's not turn this way again. This sort of argument kills any serious discussion, and it's been horrible on here at times.
We can't deflect from one problem to another that's not even connected to it to kill the discussion, careless of which side you're on. "I think we should talk about the Özil/Gündogan/Erdogan incident." -"But but Saudi Arabia...!" Discussion ended. That shouldn't be how it works.
Of course there is a lot of hypocrisy involved. Erdogan is the autocratic bad guy of the Bosporus, but the Saudis are super nice to everyone and still our best friends? Yeah, sure. But the Saudis being bad and the Western world turning a blind eye doesn't excempt Erdogan of any blame.
Bayer Arena and Monsanto....yeah. That's as far removed from the Özil/Erdogan thing as you can get. It tucks in to the stance that freedom is an illusion in our world, too, the media is as controlled as in an autocratic state, too, etc. through e.g. capitalist mechanics etc. Sure. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't talk about countries in which you can be killed or imprisoned for writing or saying the wrong things.
Our wrongdoings do not excempt other people from their wrongdoings. And deflecting shouldn't kill our discussions. If we're really going down the "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"-route we'll never get anywhere, turning in circles.
Now with the latest post I just wanted to neutrally answer the poster's question why the incident was such a big deal. Regardless of your stance on how grave the situation was, and how hypocritical some of the stances are, it nevertheless is a big thing in Germany, even weeks after. And as of that I think it's a topic one should talk about, instead of deflecting. Let's have a real talk about it, and perhaps there'll be space for the hypocrisy debate in it. Because yes, it started as a poke into the german immigration/integration debate, but in the aftermath has amassed a couple of more implications regarding international relations and public behaviour, and there's always been the big question, at least to me: Why does the public castigate two mere players the way it does here, but the big corps, the FIFA, the UEFA, who are politcally speaking at least elephants in a porcelain shop, corrupt to the bone, seldolmy get this kind of stick?
So, instead of deflecting and killing a discussion the Jesus way, I think openly talking and taking in a variety of perspectives is the better way.
I think regarding the players there isnt much to really discuss, I really doubt that they are too heavily invested in the political side of things, I think they just attended a meeting with the guy and didnt really think much of it and have been swept up in the media storm that has resulted.
They are just being used for the bigger picture in my opinion.
I'm thinking the same regarding the players individually. They didn't think too much about it. Although you could argue that Emre Can turned down the invitation to the same event and their PR teams were clever enough not to post it on their own accounts - make of that what you will. But like I said, I find it strange to have a go at mere players when FIFA/UEFA are a bunch of politically incorrect mobsters. Start there.
The poster asked why it's still such a big thing in Germany after weeks, and I answered. Obviously there's something to it for the majority of german public, or else it would have died done by now - and it's mainly the context I laid out. These two are the unfortunate ones being caught up in it, and the discussion shouldn't be about them exclusively or fought on their backs, that would be wrong - like you said they're being used for the bigger picture, and it shouldn't be that way, but still barring in mind there's obviously a big discussion about all things related, which makes it understandale that it's still a hot topic, especially with the WC around.
I do actually rate that Gündogan went and talked to the press, I think it was the right move.
Let's not turn this way again. This sort of argument kills any serious discussion, and it's been horrible on here at times.
We can't deflect from one problem to another that's not even connected to it to kill the discussion, careless of which side you're on. "I think we should talk about the Özil/Gündogan/Erdogan incident." -"But but Saudi Arabia...!" Discussion ended. That shouldn't be how it works.
. But like I said, I find it strange to have a go at mere players when FIFA/UEFA are a bunch of politically incorrect mobsters. Start there.