Mark Tobias
Mr. Agreeable
Regardless of the validity of his statement let's refrain from being nasty. A simple 'ludicrous' would have sufficed.How dumb do you have to be to come to this conclusion?
Regardless of the validity of his statement let's refrain from being nasty. A simple 'ludicrous' would have sufficed.How dumb do you have to be to come to this conclusion?
Regardless of the validity of his statement let's refrain from being nasty. A simple 'ludicrous' would have sufficed.
This may be true but it doesn't change the fact that he was doing a job for us until this season. You guys have serious selective memory if you honestly believe a guy who basically provided 80% of Giroud's assists did nothing for the club.Özil was worth the money he was getting before, but it's just ridiculous now. Bear in mind that the worst is yet to come, he has 3 more years on his contract. It will be funny to watch him and his fanatic forum fans how they justify 350k/w, and I'm fairly sure he won't be even near the first team squad in a year from now.
This may be true but it doesn't change the fact that he was doing a job for us until this season. You guys have serious selective memory if you honestly believe a guy who basically provided 80% of Giroud's assists did nothing for the club.
We bulldozed United because of him and he's been an instrumental part of many victories. His decline is evident but he wasn't like this since we signed him.
Now you're being reasonable and I can agree.He's been getting criticised for longer than just this season mate, he's been criticised almost constantly since he arrived here (rightly or wrongly).
To say he hasn't done anything for us is silly, but what I will say is his contribution is overexagerated. He's a fantastic player on his day but besides that one season he's been largely hot and cold. The fact that we're even having this debate is evidence of that.
In 20 years time nobody will care that "Özil would have broken the assist records if it weren't for Giroud".
Now you're being reasonable and I can agree.
I honestly can't care less for his personal records or that he was part of some title winning teams. I've never wanted him here and never felt that we need him here, and he never added anything to our team. Sure, he did have great assists records, but at the same time he f*cks us in 10 different ways. That's why I'm saying that you are reading too much statistics. We never improved with him, and even now when we have this diabolical squad, I can't see any difference with Özil on the pitch or off.This may be true but it doesn't change the fact that he was doing a job for us until this season. You guys have serious selective memory if you honestly believe a guy who basically provided 80% of Giroud's assists did nothing for the club.
We bulldozed United because of him and he's been an instrumental part of many victories. His decline is evident but he wasn't like this since we signed him.
At least you admit you've always had an agenda... I've never wanted him here and never felt that we need him here, and he never added anything to our team. .
Yes, never liked him or wanted him, but I was willing to wait and see if he can surprise me. He actually did, that contract absolutely shocked me.At least you admit you've always had an agenda..
I'm not going to start that argument. That would be a silly notion given that it is a team game..Yes, never liked him or wanted him, but I was willing to wait and see if he can surprise me. He actually did, that contract absolutely shocked me.
I'm also waiting for the argument of how he actually improved Arsenal in his 5 years here.
I can appreciate your point of view, but I’m still not convinced. Not so sure you can use an injury prone season as evidence of a physical decline. Players will naturally be injured more in some seasons than others, De Bruyne for example has struggled a lot with injuries this term- big and small ones, would you say he’s declining physically?
The mental decline argument you put forward is completely subjective. Who’s to say he’s not as hungry now as he was before he won the World Cup? I can hardly see him being content with no more trophies but a fat wad of cash in the bank. He’s been rich for a long time now. Not sure where those reports about the training sessions come from either, Emery has said nothing but positive things about his effort and application.
What’s “very clear” to me is his wage is influencing a hell of a lot of opinions. If he wasn’t a world class talent I too would be annoyed, but having seen what Özil can do, and what he’s capable of, I’m happy to have him around. We need to put it into context, his contract was signed at a time where our TWO main men were on the verge of leaving for nothing, should we blame Özil for capitalising on that in regards to his contract negotiations?
Sanchez is currently earning £500k p/w up north and so far all he’s done is play the piano. Suppose we would’ve paid him that . If you wanna see clear evidence of physical decline, watch that Chilean dog merchant play football. He’s lost almost every physical attribute that made him such a threat.
What reports are those? Murmurs from the usual bs merchants in the tabloids?
Hasn't Emery been saying he's been happy with Mesut's work on the training pitch? Pretty sure other players speak highly of the work he puts in as well.
source https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ain-a-lot-reveals-Arsène-wenger-a6793771.htmlMesut, I gave him a one-week holiday during the international break," Wenger said. "At the moment he doesn't practise a lot, we rest him a lot between the games.
"He is a guy who once the basic fitness is there between the games, he wants to play.
"There are types of players, sometimes the most technical players, it looks like it demands less energy for them to play - it is just natural for them."
He asked for it. Too bad he is not at Real anymore, it would be funny to watch him dealing with their fans. Here it's easy for him: takes 350k, plays Fortnite, pretend he is sick and fans will still be on his side. Absolutely mental!I'm not going to start that argument. That would be a silly notion given that it is a team game..
Just amazes me how posters on here are either 0 degrees celcius or 100. No luke warm on this forum with everything being absolute hyperbole..
He wasn't though. That's rewriting history. His stats were better (they couldn't be worse) but the critique was always the same even when he was having corners nodded in by Giroud for his 'assists'.This may be true but it doesn't change the fact that he was doing a job for us until this season.
I'll answer that for BoG. In BoGs opinion, Özil's basically being misused. Misused when he's anonymous, mind, Not when he pulls his finger out and has a good game.The fact is he was given special treatment under Wenger and it goes for training sessions as well.
source https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...ain-a-lot-reveals-Arsène-wenger-a6793771.html
It's not too far fetched to imagine there were tensions because the expectaions under Emery are complete opposite of Wenger's. Everyone has to work 100% regardless of the hierarchical position within the team. On the other hand you have Özil who was given special treatment his whole Arsenal career and now finds himself under a manager who demands more from him than he was ever accustomed to.
Curious, what's your reasoning for Özil's subpar performances?
Curious, what's your reasoning for Özil's subpar performances?
I wouldn't call it misuse. I'm not saying Emery is wrong to use Özil in this way or play like we do. He's the manager, it's his call. This is just the way Emery has set the team up to play and it has an effect on Özil the same way it has resulted in, for example, Kolasinac being so often directly involved in attacks.I'll answer that for BoG. In BoGs opinion, Özil's basically being misused. Misused when he's anonymous, mind, Not when he pulls his finger out and has a good game.
Yeah sorry but come on it's getting embarrassing.
You made a good point to Jae in your post above. People are trying to strip him off anything good he's done for the club.