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Have you read the second paragraph to get the point I was making?
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Mesut Özil: Time to Move Ön?
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Divided_Pie
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Yes, but you weren't making your point. Asano was loaned out before Emery ran his first practice. You're comparing a prospect brought in on a 5M fee who's never played for Arsenal to they guy they just put on a new 350K/week contract who tallied 50 assists in the PL faster than any player in history.
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That’s not my point.
My point is, if you are not good enough, you don’t play.
And you do not worth the time for the manager to maximise your ‘talent’.
Divided_Pie
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If your point is that you think Özil is worthless, well, it's not a very original point, and it's also one I disagree with.
Emery tried to pretend that Özil was worthless but before long he was forced concede that he actually needed to play him if he wanted to win football matches (and save his job), so he started playing him again, and Arsenal started winning again. Similar things happened with Ramsey and Lacazette.
Emery tried to pretend that Özil was worthless but before long he was forced concede that he actually needed to play him if he wanted to win football matches (and save his job), so he started playing him again, and Arsenal started winning again. Similar things happened with Ramsey and Lacazette.
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22 match unbeaten run without Özil...
I never said Özil is worthless. I disagree on that. The way he plays is far below an average premier league attacking midfielder, and with the amount of money we pay for his wages, and no one wants him so we won’t get a penny from his sale, he is a liability, hence far beyond worthless.
At least asano is worth £5m and he helps selling shirts in Asia.
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Don't even bother, you'll just be wasting your time.
Maybe
You're wrong, no?
Please, back your arguments with something. Nothing changed when Özil came back from Fortnite holidays. He was a non factor in most important games, decent in everything else, but far from being a hero who saved Emery's job. If you are looking for heroes, you should look at Leno, Auba and Laca. 3 players that were giving their best to make something out of that season.
I'm not taking away from him that he was once a top player, but some of the posts here are unreal.
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Yesssssss!!!!
Now get zaha, ziyech and thauvin.
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Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
This thread is like a word game. It's somebody else's [fault or absence] that makes him play [better or worse]. Swap the words around to suit, stand back and marvel at the ability to make up what you think is a water-tight reason for Özil to be ineffective.
It's easy... Anyone can play!
Vinci
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Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
Noooo Nooooooo You're ****ing ruining the game
Vinci
The Sultan of Unai
Country: Netherlands
My first try and I'm already out. I don't like this game.Noooo Nooooooo You're ****ing ruining the game
freeglennhelder2
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they forgot to photoshop Erndongan smiling in the stands
Divided_Pie
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Your premise is a load of bollocks. Özil had more ivolvement in build-up play than everyone bar Xhaka (who is here for his build-up play and little else), and Guendouzi (who is pretty much Xhaka 2.0).
That's right: more involvement than Torreira, who plays deep. More involvement than Ramsey, who is considered a B2B. And more involvement than Mkhi and Iwobi, the primary alternatives to playing Özil. More deep progressions and considerably more passes per 90 across the board. These are statistical facts and objective truths.
Özil is an asset as an attacking midfielder who contributes critically to build-up play. Suggest you find a new narrative.
Edit to add: The above refers to perhaps Özil's worst-ever season, under a manager that refused to back him. In 17/18 (another poor season by Özil's standards, but that year under Arsène Wenger) Özil actually had 11.65 deep progressions per 90, more than even Xhaka's 11.35:
"It helps that Aubameyang gets to play in front of a great playmaker like Mesut Özil on a weekly basis. Say what you will about Özil, and lord knows everybody has, but he is consistently an incredible passer of the ball. Of players that played more than 1200 minutes last season only Kevin De Bruyne of the unstoppable Manchester City attack had more expected goals assisted per 90 minutes than Özil’s 0.33 and only Fernandinho, of that same attack had more deep ball progressions per 90 (that’s passes, dribbles and carries into the opponents final third) than Özil’s 11.65. Özil’s ability to combine progressing the ball up the field from deeper areas and finding the killer pass to create great chances in the final third is absolutely unique."
https://statsbomb.com/2018/08/10075/
Somehow you've managed to find one of Özil's best and most rare traits and claimed it as one of his damning weaknesses.
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Dregen57
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Mesut Özil career: - Played: 639 - 110 GOALS - 253 ASSISTS - World Cup - La Liga - 3xFA Cups - Spanish Cup - Spanish Super Cup - Germany Cup - European U21 Champion - 5xGermany POTY - 3xMost assists in Budesliga, La Liga & Premier League - Fastest to 50 PL assists in history
Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
He's unique in such a way that no matter what favourable stat someone produces, it ultimately meant **** all. 'Deep progressions'... Yeah, another meaningless box ticked. Nothing player these days. Let him go do nothing elsewhere. The fans of his next team will no doubt be clueless to his brilliance as well.
Country: England
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Jury
A-M's drunk uncle
Tell you what, it wont be ****ing long and we'll be hearing that song again in the shops. We'll be top of the league though, so it wont matter. Bookmark this page.
ASIF
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Özil doesnt turn into a **** player overnight.
We all creamed ourself when we signed him.
He created magic with Ronaldo n Benz.
He was great to good under Wenger.But Unai had us play some **** football.Just making kola and Niles run down the flanks n hope for the best.We hardly manage 50 55% position against **** teams whom we use to dominate with 70+ position and against good team we had like 30+ or something embarrassing position.We need players like Cazorla,Rosicky to get the best out of Mesut Özil.He think very highly of himself and I hope he is hurting and work real hard in preseason and get his career back on track.
You don't get to 1 position of assist in the history if you are not a great player.
We all creamed ourself when we signed him.
He created magic with Ronaldo n Benz.
He was great to good under Wenger.But Unai had us play some **** football.Just making kola and Niles run down the flanks n hope for the best.We hardly manage 50 55% position against **** teams whom we use to dominate with 70+ position and against good team we had like 30+ or something embarrassing position.We need players like Cazorla,Rosicky to get the best out of Mesut Özil.He think very highly of himself and I hope he is hurting and work real hard in preseason and get his career back on track.
You don't get to 1 position of assist in the history if you are not a great player.
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