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5Live is a radio station so no written linkLink?
5Live is a radio station so no written linkLink?
Also where does this narrative that Mourinho destroys the squad developement come from?
- The first time he was Chelsea's head coach, he's built the best core of their history around Drogba, Cole, Lampard, Terry, Carvalho. Those same players kept winning even after he left. They were the best team in England alongside Man Utd during the second half of the last decade.
They were his legacy.
- His Inter job was a win now situation. He was hired to win the CL. His squad was full of old players that were near the end of their career, and they wanted to win the CL asap.
So he wasn't into building mode.
- At Madrid, he's built the fundations of the most successful team in the CL.
Before Mourinho got there, they were a banter team in the CL during the past decade and were knocked out by Lyon every single year
Yes he hasn't won the CL (and he was kinda unlucky), but he's built the fundations Ancelotti & Zidane used to win 4 CL. He's moved Ramos to CB, Varane, Di Maria, Özil, he turned Pepe into a beast. He's brought on Modric.
He's changed the club's culture and turned it into a winning machine.
- Second time at Chelsea he's built the fundations Conte has benefited from to win a title, they were still a competitive team when he left.
- At Man Utd I don't think he's destroyed anything. They were bad before him, and still mediocre after him. They've been terrible as a whole. Woodward is a joke.
No **** his team got worse when he lost his best player.
It's funny how you're not mentionning that his Liverpool team played attractive football, and not just because of Suarez even though he was amazing.
All Rodgers team have played attractive football.
Putting your best player in the best conditions to perform, like he did for Suarez, or like he's doing right now with his Leicester team is not a thing you can hold against him.
It's a positive thing.
Yes his last seasons at Liverpool were mediocre, this is what happens when you lose a generetional talent like Suarez that you can't replace, even with all the money in the world. When Sturridge who was amazing couldn't stay healthy. When Gerrard has retired.
And guess what? Even Klopp has struggled at the end ofyour best player makes the team fall apart? Which player would it take for the best team in this league to fall apart? The only two teams that have won either the champions league or the premier league do not rely on a single player. Or we can take it even further back - which player would it have take to have lost for Arsène to not have been an invincible? Or we could look across to our main rivals from that era - did Roy Keane going mean they didn’t win trophies? Or did they not win them after Beckham or Van Nistelroy left or so on and so on. Or may be when Cantona retired?
The point of my post was to highlight how we need to rebuild the team going forward and how we need a manager that is capable of that. I suspect I am wasting my energy. You are probably one of those fans that see nothing beyond the end of your nose. There will only be that option that has happened to have been flavour of the month in the premier league for you.
ps: I never said LFC were playing good football when Klopp arrived. It seems to have gone over your head but the point was that they were playing the SAME football when he arrived. It’s just that once upon a time Jay Rodriguez would have been one of the front three. Now it is Salah, Firminho and Mane. See the point? I suspect not.
Yes his last seasons at Liverpool were mediocre, this is what happens when you lose a generetional talent like Suarez that you can't replace, even with all the money in the world. When Sturridge who was amazing couldn't stay healthy. When Gerrard has retired.
And guess what? Even Klopp has struggled at the end of his Dortmund job.
Staying competitive, at the top, is the hardest thing to do in sports. Your best players can leave and you can't always replace them, injuries happen, sometimes it's hard to keep your players motivated and so on...
Look at Pochettino, his team has been **** for a year in the PL. Does it make him a bum? Of course not.
Coaching is only a small part of the equation. Context matters a lot.
And no, Liverpool weren't playing good football when Klopp has first arrived. There were positive signs, especially against the best PL teams, but there were also a lot of boring games.
He only got better with time.
What the hell are you on about? You're saying it's a bad thing to set your team around a player? That worked out so bad for Barcelona and Real Madrid all those years when Messi and Ronaldo were battling for the top of football domination.
Also where does this narrative that Mourinho destroys the squad developement come from?
- The first time he was Chelsea's head coach, he's built the best core of their history around Drogba, Cole, Lampard, Terry, Carvalho. Those same players kept winning even after he left. They were the best team in England alongside Man Utd during the second half of the last decade.
They were his legacy.
- His Inter job was a win now situation. He was hired to win the CL. His squad was full of old players that were near the end of their career, and they wanted to win the CL asap.
So he wasn't into building mode.
- At Madrid, he's built the fundations of the most successful team in the CL.
Before Mourinho got there, they were a banter team in the CL during the past decade and were knocked out by Lyon every single year
Yes he hasn't won the CL (and he was kinda unlucky), but he's built the fundations Ancelotti & Zidane used to win 4 CL. He's moved Ramos to CB, Varane, Di Maria, Özil, he turned Pepe into a beast. He's brought on Modric.
He's changed the club's culture and turned it into a winning machine.
- Second time at Chelsea he's built the fundations Conte has benefited from to win a title, they were still a competitive team when he left.
- At Man Utd I don't think he's destroyed anything. They were bad before him, and still mediocre after him. They've been terrible as a whole. Woodward is a joke.
Why don't you get back to us when you actually make some sense?That is kind of why it is called a team. Anyway, get back to me after you have referred to a dictionary.
Why don't you get back to us when you actually make some sense?
Nagelsmann? Wasn't even half a thought given to him back then. Unproven hoffenheim manager. Fact of the matter is they did look at some of those, but Emery ended up impressing our board the most. Allegri was supposedly interviewed but no agreement could be made. Hinsight is a great thing, but nobody expected this Emery experiment to end up like this.I have never understood why in the hell the board chose Emery as a replacement for Wenger. Espacially since candidates like Thomas Tuchel, Luis Enrique, Leonardo Jardim, Julian Nagelsmann, Brendan Rodgers or Max Allegri was available.
Nagelsmann`s style is very similar to Klopp`s "gegenpressen" philosophy and Bayern considered appointing Nagelsmann instead of Kovac.Nagelsmann? Wasn't even half a thought given to him back then. Unproven hoffenheim manager. Fact of the matter is they did look at some of those, but Emery ended up impressing our board the most. Allegri was supposedly interviewed but no agreement could be made. Hinsight is a great thing, but nobody expected this Emery experiment to end up like this.
I didn't say that. What I said was that it's not a bad thing when you have an exceptional player like Suarez was for them. You'd have to be stupid to not take advantage of that.What is hard for you to understand? You believe a team is built around one player.
LFC had all of those players after Suarez left. How did that end? Doesn’t seem like much of a meaningful rebuttal to me. But carry on anyway....I didn't say that. What I said was that it's not a bad thing when you have an exceptional player like Suarez was for them. You'd have to be stupid to not take advantage of that.
All that aside, Liverpool weren't just one player during Brendan's time there. They had Gerrard, Sterling, Sturridge (when fit) and Coutinho, so what you're saying isn't even accurate.
I also pointed that Barcelona built their team around Messi and Real around Ronaldo, which turned out pretty darn good, if you ask me.
That was my rebuttal to your nonsensical post.
5live apparently.Where did Rodgers rule himself out?
Checked a Leicester forum earlier and they were all in meltdown about his failure to do so..