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Life After Emery Begins

Would you be satisfied with hiring Mikel Arteta?


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ChefMan21

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For Vieira - and for all coaches for that matter - it seems to me that we should be surrounding them with the right people. Where you are weak, employ someone is strong. Vieira is a club legend, and pretty much no other coach out there can ever lay a better claim to that, except perhaps Wenger and Henry. Along with being a club legend he's intimidating and charismatic, and these three things are his strengths. So to me, I would be employing people where he is weak - perhaps it's someone with a great attacking mind who can set the right structures, or a defensive coach whose great strength is the press and offside trap, or a GK coach who does very well in defensive organisation. Perhaps they just need a good PA to keep them organised.

We can't honestly be going into a managerial recruitment process with just the names of managers, can we? Surely it's more than that.

Look at your own job and the people who support and work with you - marketing, HR, legal, finance, etc are already pretty specialised - could you do all of those competently?
 

TromsoGooner

Obsessed With Looking for Eric
For Vieira - and for all coaches for that matter - it seems to me that we should be surrounding them with the right people. Where you are weak, employ someone is strong. Vieira is a club legend, and pretty much no other coach out there can ever lay a better claim to that, except perhaps Wenger and Henry. Along with being a club legend he's intimidating and charismatic, and these three things are his strengths. So to me, I would be employing people where he is weak - perhaps it's someone with a great attacking mind who can set the right structures, or a defensive coach whose great strength is the press and offside trap, or a GK coach who does very well in defensive organisation. Perhaps they just need a good PA to keep them organised.

We can't honestly be going into a managerial recruitment process with just the names of managers, can we? Surely it's more than that.

Look at your own job and the people who support and work with you - marketing, HR, legal, finance, etc are already pretty specialised - could you do all of those competently?
I really struggle to see how being intimidating is going to improve our team.
 

YeahBee

Terrible hot takes
For Vieira - and for all coaches for that matter - it seems to me that we should be surrounding them with the right people. Where you are weak, employ someone is strong. Vieira is a club legend, and pretty much no other coach out there can ever lay a better claim to that, except perhaps Wenger and Henry. Along with being a club legend he's intimidating and charismatic, and these three things are his strengths. So to me, I would be employing people where he is weak - perhaps it's someone with a great attacking mind who can set the right structures, or a defensive coach whose great strength is the press and offside trap, or a GK coach who does very well in defensive organisation. Perhaps they just need a good PA to keep them organised.

We can't honestly be going into a managerial recruitment process with just the names of managers, can we? Surely it's more than that.

Look at your own job and the people who support and work with you - marketing, HR, legal, finance, etc are already pretty specialised - could you do all of those competently?

Couldnt Freddie just stay on as assistent manager, maybe with Per?

Then you cover the whole range of play
Per D
Freddie offense
Paddy midfield and overall
Surely both P&F would yield to him and yet complement him well

He does have plenty of years as manager now

Improved both clubs he managed (nice solidified their def iirc)
And he is the right profile temperament wise we need
 

Yousif Arsenal

On Vinai's payroll & misses 4th place trophy 🏆
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If we were in good position we can afford to give Paddy chance but now we are is tough position we need to get back to CL the club will have to make the right choice. Now paddy is better choice than Freddie and Arteta because he been managing since few years the problem is he not done enough with clubs he in
 

ChefMan21

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I really struggle to see how being intimidating is going to improve our team.
Ego management. None of them hold a candle to what Vieira was as a player or what he did in terms of the club or achievements. Won't suffer fools gladly, I expect.
 
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Tosker

Does Not Hate Foreigners
my gut feeling is that our results will start to improve - not dramatically, but enough for Freddie to continue to the end of the season

after that other options, including keeping Freddie as manager, will open up

it's the only sensible and cost effective way forward for now, and burns no bridges - those players thinking of leaving are not going to change their minds for any other manager, and if it means more money to offer them to stay, then who knows
 

El Duderino

That's, like, your opinion, man.
Moderator
To be fair, while Nice is in 14th spot, they're only 5 points from the Top 4. Ligue 1 has a lot of parity this year.

I know this is not what you meant and maybe this is the Emery PTSD talking, but that line of argument is what the very few Emery loyalists bandied around.

I'm hoping Freddie steadies the ship so we can move for someone in the summer, which would also give us time to asses Paddy better.
 

Riou

In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over

Country: Northern Ireland

Player:Gabriel
AM, when the club appoint a manager none of us want...
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Aussie_gunner123

Established Member

Country: Australia
Sorry for the late notice but since when has Viera become the favourite for the position? What news was it haha?
 

Riou

In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over

Country: Northern Ireland

Player:Gabriel
Out of our ex players, it’s between Freddie and Paddy, think the Arteta ship has sailed at this point...would love either tbh.

A Nuno or Rodgers would be great, and would be given time to build something...can’t see us attracting anyone higher than that, don’t have the pull for elite coaches anymore imo.
 

Hleb's Sirush

Established Member
To be fair, while Nice is in 14th spot, they're only 5 points from the Top 4. Ligue 1 has a lot of parity this year.

He is also only 5 points from a relegation place.

And he did guide them to 7th place last season

They finished 8th the year before, 2 points up, not bad but again nothing to really be impressed by.

improving their defensive record from 52 goals to 35.

Now this would have been impressive. A manager who can organise a defence has a lot of potential. Only problem with Vieira in this case is, he managed to shore up the defence by completely sacrificing the attack. Only 2 teams scored less goals than Nice last year, both of them relegated. It is easy to organise the defence if you just don't bother to attack.

This season he has probably tried to get the balance right between defence and attack, it seems it isn't working. They are still struggling to score yet now they have the 3rd worst defence in the league.

Overall he isn't doing a terrible job but he certainly isn't doing anything remarkable to be considered for the Arsenal job. If he wasn't a club legend this whole debate would be considered insane.
 
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