Wenger didn't always do that. The 8-2s, 6-0s and 5-1s forced him to be more pragmatic.theres a reason Arsène packed his squad with midfielders, and why klopp does likewise. Also if your wide forwards cant pin back the opposing fullbacks and keep them honest, then Salah and Mane will cause havoc.
Arteta went into the match already beaten, just like Emery used to do, and in a way like Arsène used to do. An approach built around minimizing damage against the top 4 and tonking everyone else and sneaking into champions league places.
Can still work, but I miss the days when we went again prime barcelona and the fans had hope and the team had pride in their club.
yes.. Wenger never cared about minizing damage either....a loss was a loss for him... Wenger went for the league as recently as 5 yrs ago. Still in some games towards the end, the team went in already beaten, specially if the squad was weakened by injuries or by wantaway players throwing hissy fits.Wenger didn't always do that. The 8-2s, 6-0s and 5-1s forced him to be more pragmatic.
I have watched Camavinga but he does not have the exceptional attributes that Fabregas had at 16/17 or that Mbappe had when he was younger. Not even to mention the great Ronaldinho who was doing incredible things as. A teenager. There are those who are good but hyped and there are those who are excellent regardless of any hype or criticism. Camavinga falls into the former. He’s good for his age but I would not have him in my first 22 if I could pick any 22 players around the world. Would you?People gotta stop perpetuating this myth.
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If you can't tell the difference between this and Emery I worry for you. It's brushing over massive differences. It's like calling Pellegrini and Guardiola the same thing or Allardyce and Cholo the same thing just because they share certain stylistic similarities.
I base my comment on Özil not being good and our team not being good enough, like City with Silva maybe, to compensate for an older player like him who is at this point a specialist.
I'd be really interested to know what these comments are based on, lol. Renato is 23, he has matured a lot at Lille and turned into an interesting 6. I wonder if you've watched Kamara. Camavinga is all hype is face palm (Madrid, Bayern, PSG's scouts and football people quite disagree with you) stuff, I wonder too if you've watched him..
I don’t think Wenger ever had an inferiority complex with any opposition. I actually think it was the opposite, he was quite confident that he could beat any team. Though he knew when he was the under dog but he always set his teams up with the potential to win. Scoring goals and creating chances were never an issue under Wenger, the defense was the issue in the latter years. Under Arteta and Emery we struggle to both create chances and score goals. Our shots per game has dropped off a cliff in some seasons but we have become a sturdier team.yes.. Wenger never cared about minizing damage either....a loss was a loss for him... Wenger went for the league as recently as 5 yrs ago. Still in some games towards the end, the team went in already beaten, specially if the squad was weakened by injuries or by wantaway players throwing hissy fits.
Absolutely right. That's what Arsène did when the weight of fan pressure started to get him . . he resorted to being a reactive manager. Add in some panic buys like Perez and Mustafi, and it's the reason he went backwards.theres a reason Arsène packed his squad with midfielders, and why klopp does likewise. Also if your wide forwards cant pin back the opposing fullbacks and keep them honest, then Salah and Mane will cause havoc.
Arteta went into the match already beaten, just like Emery used to do, and in a way like Arsène used to do. An approach built around minimizing damage against the top 4 and tonking everyone else and sneaking into champions league places.
Can still work, but I miss the days when we went again prime barcelona and the fans had hope and the team had pride in their club.
- Leans on experience, reluctant to trust youthSo far what are Mikel's weaknesses as a manager?
- Leans on experience, reluctant to trust youth
- Late and ineffective subs
- Overly pragmatic and cautious approach to every match
- Management of fringe players could be better. Luckily its nobody influential just yet and no fans, he's been allowed to work in peace so far.
Not that this was asked, but strengths:
- tactically he is very strong
- man management seems great, has the senior players onside when our previous managers have failed this
- communication is superb - to players and media
- has an aura of authority and confidence - easy to forget this is his first managerial job and learning as he goes along
All in my opinion of course.
Now that you mention it, they do overlap. Especially communication and man management I guess.Tbh all your strengths sound like the same thing apart from 'tactically he's very strong' which doesn't mean much.
Arteta still has a lot to prove, too many people singing his praises for the minimum.
Adding on that weakness points, I also think he isn't the type of coach for players that are technical but with a passive behavior.- Leans on experience, reluctant to trust youth
- Late and ineffective subs
- Overly pragmatic and cautious approach to every match
- Management of fringe players could be better. Luckily its nobody influential just yet and no fans, he's been allowed to work in peace so far.
Not that this was asked, but strengths:
- tactically he is very strong
- man management seems great, has the senior players onside when our previous managers have failed this
- communication is superb - to players and media
- has an aura of authority and confidence - easy to forget this is his first managerial job and learning as he goes along
All in my opinion of course.
Nah you make perfect sense. This is how Wenger and the French national team functioned.I think sometimes work rate should be swapped with technicality. Meaning some technically gifted players should get a pass for their less work off the ball. I doubt I'm making sense on my description though.
That's the reason I think we need Partey more than Aouar, because their won't be a place for him if he is passive and not confident as they say.Nah you make perfect sense. This is how Wenger and the French national team functioned.
This is the angle many Özil fans use to justify his inclusion to the team.
Not sure if it works in the prem currently. You look at the top of the table and it’s clear you need both, but yeah Arteta seems to have very little time the type of players you speak of (Pepe and Özil are good examples).
Im personally not mad at this, the ends justify the means. Usually.
Maybe if he got the players we needs he would be more open to including technical but passive players?
If he keeps winning people will praise his no nonsense style, great communication, drive and tactics.
But if he gets a few losses and starts to sink back to 8th, all that will dissolve, even freezing out Özil and Guendouzi will be raised.
It's a results based business, with no realism thrown in. Fans work on a hindsight basis and will build a narrative of supposed faults (that they'd seen at the time ).
Can't judge properly until he gets a midfield.
The guys he has to work with are barely top-half PL standard.