Yves Bissouma

[Heavy Duty Rom]

I agree, but it doesn't mean other players haven't had more talent. De-Bruyne has an exceptional work ethic.

Seems to me your metric for talent is being a good dribbler and easy on the eye.

De Bruyne has unbelievable natural striking and technical ability. To hit the ball as hard and accurately as he does isn't just work ethic, its natural talent.

- Phenomenal stamina.
- Burst of pace, with or without the ball
- Vision
- Technique
- Goals/Assist fiend
- And now defensive ability too.

He's complete.

 

[The_Playmaker]

Seems to me your metric for talent is being a good dribbler and easy on the eye.

De Bruyne has unbelievable natural striking and technical ability. To hit the ball as hard and accurately as he does isn't just work ethic, its natural talent.

- Phenomenal stamina.
- Burst of pace, with or without the ball
- Vision
- Technique
- Goals/Assist fiend
- And now defensive ability too.

He's complete.

Defensive ability? He is an offensive midfielder who works hard off the ball. In the same way Martinelli does. He plays in a dominant possession based side who rotionally foul. He is on of the worlds best attacking midfielders. I wouldn't call him a complete midfielder, but that's not a bad thing. Complete midfielders are usually central and they are very rare.

 

[Heavy Duty Rom]

Defensive ability? He is an offensive midfielder who works hard off the ball. In the same way Martinelli does. He plays in a dominant possession based side who rotionally foul. He is on of the worlds best attacking midfielders. I wouldn't call him a complete midfielder, but that's not a bad thing. Complete midfielders are usually central and they are very rare.

I can't think of a more complete one. He's box to box, two footed, strong, skilful, and a goal/assist fiend. He can play as a CM AM or wide midfielder. In years to come, he will drop into a deep lying midfield role, like Gerrard/Seedorf etc did. He's a phenomenon.

 

[GoonerJay24]

Seems to me your metric for talent is being a good dribbler and easy on the eye.

De Bruyne has unbelievable natural striking and technical ability. To hit the ball as hard and accurately as he does isn't just work ethic, its natural talent.

- Phenomenal stamina.
- Burst of pace, with or without the ball
- Vision
- Technique
- Goals/Assist fiend
- And now defensive ability too.

He's complete.

Dribbling is an important attribute but there are other determinants of talent.

I'm not disputing about De-Bruynes talent of course he has an abundance of it. However there have been other players just as talented if not more that lacked the conditions and attitude to fulfill there potential like Kevin.

 

[GoonerJay24]

Defensive ability? He is an offensive midfielder who works hard off the ball. In the same way Martinelli does. He plays in a dominant possession based side who rotionally foul. He is on of the worlds best attacking midfielders. I wouldn't call him a complete midfielder, but that's not a bad thing. Complete midfielders are usually central and they are very rare.

Viera and Yaya Toure on his game were complete midfielders

 

[Heavy Duty Rom]

Dribbling is an important attribute but there are other determinants of talent.

I'm not disputing about De-Bruynes talent of course he has an abundance of it. However there have been other players just as talented if not more that lacked the conditions and attitude to fulfill there potential like Kevin.

Fulfilling potential is a talent in itself no? Otherwise, you could rank someone like Taarabt over Fabregas.

 

[The_Playmaker]

I can't think of a more complete one. He's box to box, two footed, strong, skilful, and a goal/assist fiend. He can play as a CM AM or wide midfielder. In years to come, he will drop into a deep lying midfield role, like Gerrard/Seedorf etc did. He's a phenomenon.

Please explain to me how he is box to box? He is a final third player.

 

[Heavy Duty Rom]

Please explain to me how he is box to box? He is a final third player.

Predominantly, yes, but look as his heatmap for last season, he is everywhere on the pitch.

 

[Breezy]

Please explain to me how he is box to box? He is a final third player.

KDB is primarily a box to box midfielder.

 

[Bloodbather]

Please explain to me how he is box to box? He is a final third player.

KDB is primarily a box to box midfielder.

He's neither an all-out attacking midfielder nor a box-to-box. He's a mezzala. Italian football terminology is more precise about roles, probably because Serie A was the league with the highest level of tactical battles for a long time, whereas English football terminology is lacking in this regard, probably because it was the opposite for a long time (almost exclusively direct 4-4-2).

 

[Breezy]

He's neither an all-out attacking midfielder nor a box-to-box. He's a mezzala. Italian football terminology is more precise about roles, probably because Serie A was the league with the highest level of tactical battles for a long time, whereas English football terminology is lacking in this regard, probably because it was the opposite for a long time (almost exclusively direct 4-4-2).

Actually he is both. He pretty much plays both roles simultaneously. Which is what makes him such a good all-rounder.

 

[Bloodbather]

Actually he is both. He pretty much plays both roles simultaneously. Which is what makes him such a good all-rounder.

That's what makes him a mezzala. It's literally what the term stands for. An attack-minded creative midfielder who plays closer to the center of the pitch and takes on defensive responsibilities when the opponent has the possession.

 

[Breezy]

That's what makes him a mezzala. It's literally what the term stands for. An attack-minded creative midfielder who plays closer to the center of the pitch and takes on defensive responsibilities when the opponent has the possession.

You can give it a fancy name. The point was De Bruyne is box to box playmaker.

 

[KenyanGoon]

Have we been linked with KdB somewhere? We seem to have veered way off topic.

 

[Bloodbather]

You can give it a fancy name. The point was De Bruyne is box to box playmaker.

Moving the goalposts, are we? This is what you said:

KDB is primarily a box to box midfielder.

It's incorrect.

 

[gunner4lyfe]

Can't believe people are trying to downplay KDB. Lol. It's hilarious really. Anyway, any rumours circulating about Bissouma?

 

[Breezy]

Moving the goalposts, are we? This is what you said:



It's incorrect.

Why is it incorrect? De Bruyne is usually all over the pitch, contributing defensively and offensively. That’s called a box to box midfielder.

He just so happens to be a bit of a creative genius. Which is what makes him a box to box playmaker.

Have I made myself clear, boys?

 

[#254]

KDB is Cesc level for me, not quite complete but superb.

 

[The_Playmaker]

Why is it incorrect? De Bruyne is usually all over the pitch, contributing defensively and offensively. That’s called a box to box midfielder.

He just so happens to be a bit of a creative genius. Which is what makes him a box to box playmaker.

Have I made myself clear, boys?

Pitch coverage doesn't mean you are a box 6o box midfielder. Number 10s have more freedom than most players and can be all over the pitch to get on the ball. Zidane, Özil. I have seen heat maps where they are everywhere. Does that mean they are box to box? No.

A box to box is someone who operates from one end of the pitch to the other with the same level of defensive ability as they do offensive. Someone who is complete.

A box to box could play as a defensively midfielder if asked to. Or an attacking midfield if asked to. De Bruyne can't play as a holding midfielder as he isn't actually that good defensively.

Man City play a pressing/rotational fouling with designated holders and inverted physical fullbacks. They cover for KDB.

KDB puts in effort defensively. But he isn't actually good at it.

 

[Breezy]

Pitch coverage doesn't mean you are a box 6o box midfielder. Number 10s have more freedom than most players and can be all over the pitch to get on the ball. Zidane, Özil. I have seen heat maps where they are everywhere. Does that mean they are box to box? No.

A box to box is someone who operates from one end of the pitch to the other with the same level of defensive ability as they do offensive. Someone who is complete.

A box to box could play as a defensively midfielder if asked to. Or an attacking midfield if asked to. De Bruyne can't play as a holding midfielder as he isn't actually that good defensively.

Man City play a pressing/rotational fouling with designated holders and inverted physical fullbacks. They cover for KDB.

KDB puts in effort defensively. But he isn't actually good at it.

You honestly cannot see the difference between Zidane and Özil’s game to the way De Bruyne plays for Man City?

De Bruyne is a much more complete footballer than anyone you would classify as a box to box midfielder btw.

To be considered a box2box midfielder you don’t have to be Rijkaard at defending ffs. You just have to be a player who helps the team effectively at both ends of the pitch. Gerrard and Lampard were not unbelievable at defending neither but both are considered the prototype of the modern box2box midfielder.