"1 or 2 Signings...." Who would be the second?

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by atmosphere, Jun 24, 2009.

  1. NWgunner

    NWgunner New Member

    Fair point, but we wouldn't be bringing him in as LB cover surely? If he got game time with us, it'd be deputising for Sagna I'd imagine

    Edit: regarding strikers, I think its the whole "RVP may or may not stay fit, Eduardo is as of yet unproven regarding fitness and most pundits don't rate Bendtner" mindset that leads to them understimating our attack. WHile #1 is valid, #2 will hopefully be disproved and #3 is total nonsense
     
  2. Nela

    Nela New Member

    The thing is, we do have a variety of options. A variety of good options even. But we're missing someone really great. We're missing a star striker.

    Ade and RvP aren't world class. And they're not reliable strikers in the way that a Torres is for example. Bendtner, Vela and Theo are young and not fully developed. And Eduardo is a big questionmark since his injury. We have no idea how good he would have been at this point without the injury. And we have no idea if he can become the striker we need next season.
     
  3. True Gooner

    True Gooner New Member Elite

    - Yes, but Fabregas, Eduardo, Rosicky and Walcott were injured for extended periods. (not making excuses, just saying)

    - Nasri was finding his feet.

    - Denilson had to play as the main man in midfield for the first time in his life.

    - Bendtner was not a main striker last summer.

    - Wenger did not know his best squad or formation

    - Lack of confidence

    I think you'll agree with me when I say that the likes of Denilson, Song, Bendtner, Gibbs and Walcott have really come on since the start of last season. Realise that our tragic season was largely down to our abject performance in the first half of the season as opposed to our second half showing.

    You'll find that our second half of the season performance was top 3 ish quality despite losing to the rest of the big four (which was down mainly to injuries which is not an excuse here). And as such I use those performances to judge where our squad is at the moment - not where they were a year ago.

    You misunderstand me. Fabianksi is a good second choice keeper. Denilson/Song are good back up midfielders. Gibbs is a good back up left back. Bendtner is a good back up striker. I could go on. The problem last season was the Wenger (and injuries) over exposed them to football. They played more than they should have.

    See how this goes? Leagues are won based on the strength and depth of your squad and as squad players the likes of Denilson, Song, Gibbs, Bendtner, Walcott etc don't do too badly at all. You can't expect our bench to field Yaya Toure and Gokhan Inler when Fabregas and Melo get injured.

    Ah but that's subjective isn't it? What is good enough? Will whoever we sign be good enough just for the bench and nothing more? Or will he be an able starter forced to play on the bench? In which case why is he on the bench in the first place? IMO unless your willing to play huge amounts of money in wages to keep players happy (which may still not work) a bench can either be made up of younger, developing players or older slightly past it players.
     
  4. SPF103

    SPF103 New Member

    A reserve who is able to step in when needed and who does not bring down the play of the team or make unacceptable mistakes when on the pitch. Silvestre, Diaby, and Eboue on the wing are some examples of players who are not good enough.
     
  5. sabret00the

    sabret00the New Member Trusted

    Marcotti says it's Melo next so it's Melo.
     
  6. asajoseph

    asajoseph New Member Elite

    Marcotti talks a lot of guff.
     
  7. sabret00the

    sabret00the New Member Trusted

    Legend Marcotti is legend!
     
  8. asajoseph

    asajoseph New Member Elite

    Heh...

    He's a very good pundit, but he's worse than _scorpion_ when it comes to making stuff up.
     
  9. True Gooner

    True Gooner New Member Elite

    I miss _scorpion_.
     
  10. lee1001

    lee1001 New Member Trusted

    Wenger's recent comments suggest both Arshavin and Walcott will play more central this season. SO id like to see a another wide player brought in.
     
  11. Jameel46

    Jameel46 New Member

    The Rumours suggest Melo and Chamakh but I'm hoping that both are incorrect.
     
  12. Jameel46

    Jameel46 New Member

    Afellay? what's the situation with him, all I know is that he looks good on the ball and that PSV aren't in the CL.
     
  13. DC Gunner

    DC Gunner New Member

    Maybe these ex-gooners don't have the inclination to prove Wenger correct 100% of the time as some people :p

    I agree with ADE/RVP assessment, I think they are good quality, but not as the main load bearers in the Attack, we need an Arshavinesque striker [quality/class wise] leading the line, that would definitely give both RVP/ADE more room to work with as well as keep them competing for the second forward/striker option all the time.

    Lots of us agree on the need for DM, I would like him to have some scoring tendencies in him [not a major requirement, but that would be a plus]; On the other hand, if we failed to get a DM, I would really really like our FB not to both go forward at the same time, but here is not the place for that anyway
     
  14. NIPOLOPO

    NIPOLOPO New Member

    He was one of the top top posters around (Exiled hasn't been around either) shame he more or less got ousted and ridiculed for his claim to be itk. I also miss the dude who had the Domo-kun shagging a cereal grain ( -or was that Biggs old avatar!)
     
  15. kamikaze80

    kamikaze80 New Member Elite

    tam, it's an interesting point, and i'd tend to agree with those who say we're missing a true superstar forward. we're talking about the level of torres, drogba a few years back, henry and bergkamp in their prime. i think van persie is capable of reaching that level - so is arshavin. depending on whether it's easier to find a star wide mid or a star forward, the solution may involve moving arshavin up top.

    as for the rest, i agree with jgooner. we needed at least 2 european class first team starters at CB and CM this summer. hopefully vermaelen is one - we still need the other. at that point, we'd be in contention for the title but might still need some tweaking here and there to get the right balance.
     
  16. air

    air New Member

    Signing a forward wouldn't be very Wenger. We have the numbers so he would be turning his back on people he has long ago decided that they are good to play for us.

    Perhaps we are missing a superstar forward like Henry but again this is like that 6'7 midfielder with great stamina, strength, ball control and vision. If both are available then why don't we get two or three of each while we're at it? We have a better chance of having one of our own make that step into superstardom.

    As for the midfield it would make sense for Wenger to sign one just by looking at the age of our midfield. It wouldn't be changing his mind about somebody which he never seems to do, just strengthening the team in general. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the possibility of us signing nobody. I guess Vermaelen and Wenger's words have got the hopes up but I'm still concerned because we really need to add a player there.
     
  17. Biggus

    Biggus New Member Elite

    I don't take anything Wenger says at face value, not because he's a liar but because he obviously has to keep his cards close to his chest. Selling clubs and rivals will be keeping a close watch on what he says, so a whole thread on what Wenger hinted he might do is a bit pointless.
     
  18. Lazaq

    Lazaq New Member

    I think our minds are protecting themselves, shielding us from the horrible, horrible thought of not signing at least a DM. When even the players themselves (Cesc in particular) are crying out for that position to be strengthened, then it's blatantly obvious that we need to sign somebody. And that's why we don't talk about that possibility. It's just too painful, too much to bear.

    We are signing someone. We are signing someone. We are signing someone. We are ...
     
  19. I think it's safe to sya we will definately sign a central midfield player, most probably Melo if Marcotti's comments are to be taken seriously. I won't say no to added cover in the central area, flog Diaby or Denilson (I would be against letting Denilson go for the record) and bring in someone with a bit of experience like Hitzlsperger. One would be enough though as that is all we really need in that area in my opinion, we have yet to see the lenghts at which the likes of Ramsey, Denilson, Diaby and Song can grow. I wouldn't bet against atleast two of them turning out to be Arsenal quality players and maybe one going beyond.

    Should we then make a third signing, I would expect it to be someone in the niche of Ramsey, maybe Delph or some other young talent. That or a second choice keeper, Fabianski didn't deal at all well in the big games he was called upon and Wenger may seek to bring in a cooler head in that department. I expect the third signing to be pretty inconsequential.
     
  20. sabret00the

    sabret00the New Member Trusted

    This club doesn't produce winger. I have no idea why but it's something we seem incapable of doing. So in that regard, we really need to either promote Wilshere to add some depth to our wings or preferably, sign a winger. Ribery's available ;)
     

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