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Aaron Ramsey (Out)

DiamondGooner

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

Hmmm sell or loan I wouldn't mind, I honestly just don't think he showed Arsenal level quality or skill last season.

If were serious about remaining in and amongst the top 3 we need top level players and I'm sceptical that Ramsey is ever going to make it, just reminds me of the Denilson scenario.
 

jmsmtthw28

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

Wrighty4eva said:
So because people support him through his injury, it means he is immune to criticism ? I don't think so, hes been pretty lack luster this season, and if he has not got it right through Wengers persistence in playing him due to lack of options or whatever reason that may be, i doubt he ever will, and not one thing about him, everything about him is off his passing his shooting dunno what happened to him but hes a shadow of his former self , get rid of ....
its his first season back FFS
 

mavelous

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

anyone here play futsal/indoor? i think it really changes the complexion/dynamics of the game based on which, inside it's much flatter surface and different ball, much less space, mostly on the ground. i feel like i can relate to ramsey on the same level, i like the fact that outside there's more space and increases your options, more time and space, extra touch possible and ability to play conservative/safe. but for this, he's in a wrong system because they're too similar with song and arteta, and his defensive/tactical awareness isn't up to the level to displace either. he would work with a player like wilshere or even diaby who can run with the ball at feet and create space, otherwise it's only passing and movement, and unless you're barca, it becomes really predictable and easy to defend because passing (or dribbling) alone takes you so far. instead of a designated playmaker (i.e. Cesc system) responsible for linking up with the striker, we could utilize his and wilshere's engine to have to runners into the box, and with a deep-lying passer able to hit long, or through. that way his entire skillset is being utilized, his engien in a b2b role rather than pressure him to deliver in tight spaces very up the pitch. he can control games with his range of passing rather than push for the low probability perfect ball when under pressure in final third. and of course, with more of a balanced XI, it can open up space for him to have shots or bring a surprise on opposition with late surges up field.

actually i think he'd benefit hugely playing in the wings in a league where he gets more time and space. should really just get comfortable, get up to the pace of the game, find rhythm and actually just enjoy the game without the spotlight, bipolar fans, backwoods brutes or a demented media witchhunt.
 

Mastadon

Established Member
Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

jones said:
Dokaka said:
Not trolling honestly. Denilson is still an Arsenal player so saying he's shown as much as Ramsey is a compliment to both of them as Ramsey has had good spells in the team.

I just remember Denilson having a good season in midfield and there was a bit of hype around him to even fans of other teams. Ramsey's career so far has matched that a bit with a good spell before his injury and he had a very good start to the season last season as well but faded badly later on.

Surely Denilson wasn't always so low rated when Wenger trusted him to take over for Gilberto, one of the greatest DMs of all time?

In short, Denilson had a good run at Arsenal but couldn't keep it up, and so far the same applies to Ramsey. Ramsey's obviously got a bigger chance of stepping above that and become much better considering Denilson has said he wants to leave.

Agree. Fans have some of the shortest memories of all living beings on this planet, the way some talk about the likes of Denilson, Chamakh, Nasri and the likes, hearing some of the **** that's been talked about them you'd wonder how they ended up as professional footballers :lol:

Denilson had very good spells between 08/09, at least as good as Ramsey was a year after. Don't know where it went wrong though, his performances went downhill the year after and his personality clearly changed, went from being a very humble and shy boy to spouting **** about being a winner. Sad to see him flushing his career down the drain, would have maybe helped him if Gilberto stayed another season.

I watched most of denilson's games for us from his debut and I never understood why Wenger thought he was good enough. He was average at best. Even 08/09 was nothing more than average and I remember his performance away to fulham that season as the worst I have ever seen from a first team arsenal midfielder. I don't remember denilson having any really good spells he just ranged from average to **** every time he played.

Ramsey at least has talent and the potential to become a quality player. The only talent denilson had was being able to deceive Wenger into believing he was good enough to play for us. Never understood why anyone rated him and to be fair
not many did.
 

redwhiteAustrian

Tu Felix Austria
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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

I find it ridiculous that Denilson gets compared to Ramsey, the difference between them is staggering, there's no contest.

On the one hand we're talking about a guy who's been here nearly five years and didn't manage to get more than ten good games on a string, and on the other, there's the skipper of a national team who's been out for a year and arguably needs more time to perform at a decent level more consistently.

If Denilson ever had such good games as Ramsey had vs ManUre in the season before last, or vs Chelsea last season, feel free to inform me.
 

Armor for Sleep

Established Member
Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

Would only contemplate a loan provided we sign a DM and a proper playmaker and Diaby and Denilson aren't part of the squad instead.

I don't see this happening though. I'm certain Wenger still rates him. I also think a good pre-season could do wonders for him - just have a feeling he's going to really kick on next season.
 

celestis

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

Yeah seen with Rosicky that injure players take at least a year to get their physical sharpness back .
 

albakos

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

I think the best loan move for him would be at Swansea considering their style of play and Laudrup who also prefers free-flowing football. Also being away from everyday pressure of media as in Arsenal.

But when we played Swansea away, Ramsey had his worst match and as he was former Cardiff player he got plenty of fan abuse.
 

say yes

forum master baiter
Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

No thanks. Think Ramsey will get a lot of games here next season.
 

Yousif Arsenal

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

Loan yes but not sell he is still young i will prefer he go on loan and improve.
 

tap-in

Nothing Wrong With Me
Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

I think a loan would be perfect for him, he is young and needs to rediscover his form and I dont see him doing it with us as we cant afford to have him in the side on a regular basis. One thing is sure, he wouldnt go to Swansea, that would be like a Man Utd player going on loan to City.
 

mo50

Established Member
Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

No way will we sell him, that'd be ridiculous on our part. I think he'd play a good amount of games for us next season and should be kept, but loaning him wouldn't be the worst idea.
 

DiamondGooner

Established Member
Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

redwhiteAustrian said:
I find it ridiculous that Denilson gets compared to Ramsey, the difference between them is staggering, there's no contest.

On the one hand we're talking about a guy who's been here nearly five years and didn't manage to get more than ten good games on a string, and on the other, there's the skipper of a national team who's been out for a year and arguably needs more time to perform at a decent level more consistently.

If Denilson ever had such good games as Ramsey had vs ManUre in the season before last, or vs Chelsea last season, feel free to inform me.


I don't think its a case of comparing the players themselves but more the situation i.e a CM youngster who Wenger thought had potential, gave him chance after chance and he never made the jump.

It remains to be seen if Ramsey will be a similar story or not.
 

Impact

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

I have a lot of time for Aaron Ramsey. He has had quite a bit to contend with this past season, so all things considered, I think he's performed decently. Personally, I don't think it would be the best move for him to go out on loan. In my opinion, he needs a well-rested off season and then, a good pre-season and he'll be good to go.

My worry for him is in regard to his position. He seems to be more of an all-round midfielder rather than a specialist in any particular role in the midfield. In our current formation, I'm not sure where he fits. Granted last season, he played as our CAM, but this season he'll be competiting with the resurgent Tomas Rosicky and Jack Wilshere. I don't see him playing Song's box-to-box ball winning role and similarly, I think playing Arteta's deep lying playmaker role would require quite a steep adjustment in terms of his playing style.
 

redwhiteAustrian

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

DiamondGooner said:
I don't think its a case of comparing the players themselves but more the situation i.e a CM youngster who Wenger thought had potential, gave him chance after chance and he never made the jump.

It remains to be seen if Ramsey will be a similar story or not.

That's true of course, but that's not been the point the initial discussion was heading to.
 

ArsenesNO1Fan

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

I think once he gets stronger/quicker all of his game will pick up. His ball retention, positioning and workrate is good, although he is side ways passer at the moment. Decision making is pretty average, but that's possibly part pressure

He's looked a bit hesitant in tackling at times but showed his mantle against Stoke, which impressed me

He had plenty of shots last year but had no power in them and hence hardly scored any, I think this will improve in time and he could be a 10 goal a year midfielder in the future

A loan move for a season makes sense, let him gradually develop and get him ready for the next season.

It means we are a midfielder short and likely to get someone in unless Wenger is giving Denilson 1 last shot.
 

iced22

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

We're still yet to see much of the Ramsey-Wilshere-Song midfield that worked so well near the end of last season. The one with Song sitting deep and Ramsey and Wilshere working as a midfield duo just ahead, perhaps with Ramsey slightly more advanced.

That position means he sits deeper and simply distributes the ball to the flanks, and makes late runs into the box to score. Not unlike Arteta's current role. Ramsey needing space to work has been mentioned, and I think it's true, he needs a fair bit of space and time.

In fact, his best runs in the team have all come with playing as part of a flat midfield duo with a partner able to run with the ball from deep. Diaby, Fabregas, Wilshere, etc. Having a more direct partner opens up the space he needs to operate. Part of me wanted to see him in a midfield duo with Rosicky late last season with Song sweeping up behind them (which I think is his best role). Ramsey needs to sit slightly deeper than the hole to find the space imo.

ps: Lets stop overrating Denilson, shall we? Saw more from Ramsey this season than Denilson ever showed tbh.
 

Yaya

Established Member
Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

iced22 said:
We're still yet to see much of the Ramsey-Wilshere-Song midfield that worked so well near the end of last season. The one with Song sitting deep and Ramsey and Wilshere working as a midfield duo just ahead, perhaps with Ramsey slightly more advanced.
Other than the Manure game, I can't honestly remember that mf working so well(which Wilshere was quite poor in the final third), that is not to say it won't work but rather the mf performing poorly near the end of last season.
 

realtalk

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Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

Pea-Tear-Griffin said:
Source= Trending on twitter

I think this is both good for him and the club if it happens
This thread is 2 pages in on some weak ass twitter link.

How many players are linked to us via twitter dont see threads made on weak links.

Ramsey's here to stay get over it he'll become an immense player for us.
See all the cesc fangirls out in flock.
 

ArsenesNO1Fan

Established Member
Re: Ramsey to Fulham - Loan

iced22 said:
We're still yet to see much of the Ramsey-Wilshere-Song midfield that worked so well near the end of last season. The one with Song sitting deep and Ramsey and Wilshere working as a midfield duo just ahead, perhaps with Ramsey slightly more advanced.

That position means he sits deeper and simply distributes the ball to the flanks, and makes late runs into the box to score. Not unlike Arteta's current role. Ramsey needing space to work has been mentioned, and I think it's true, he needs a fair bit of space and time.

In fact, his best runs in the team have all come with playing as part of a flat midfield duo with a partner able to run with the ball from deep. Diaby, Fabregas, Wilshere, etc. Having a more direct partner opens up the space he needs to operate. Part of me wanted to see him in a midfield duo with Rosicky late last season with Song sweeping up behind them (which I think is his best role). Ramsey needs to sit slightly deeper than the hole to find the space imo.

ps: Lets stop overrating Denilson, shall we? Saw more from Ramsey this season than Denilson ever showed tbh.

Ramsey did play deeper at times last year and did start the year with Rosicky. He wasn't any better playing deeper with Rosicky than he was with Arteta/Song. Maybe he would be better with a Diaby/Wilshere/Fabregas this year, or maybe he's just not ready

As for not overrating Denilson, I think you're overrating Ramsey, he was usually the worst player in our team last year, simply out of his depth at this moment
 
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