Discussion in 'Transfer Rumours' started by dashsnow17, Feb 19, 2018.
We can do better and need better. Next.
Tifo, mate. Love me some tifo.
From what I see you want either Fabinho or Zakaria. I like both of them a lot. Fabinho is definitely better and he's obviously the dream candidate, but being realistic we may not get him. As for Zakaria he's still developing, he's nowhere near the finished article yet. Doucoure is someone who could come in and perform straight away.
Zakaria may end up being better than Doucoure, there are a few players who could be better, Sander Berge has huge potential too. If the club decides to go for a prospect then so be it, but Doucoure would be a very good and sensible addition.
And where do you think their muse came from for the video? Football Manager.
Doucoure wont win us the league... I doubt he'll even get us qualified for Champions League. And yet, I still believe in Zakaria doing that for us. The kid is the real deal. He may not be the finished article, but he can definitely contribute now.
I'm a big fan of Zakaria, but the idea that he'd contribute to us winning the league next year or even the year after is absurd. He's only just moved to Gladbach from Switzerland, in an ideal world he'd continue to develop there for a while longer.
Don't get me wrong I'd be very happy if we signed Zakaria, I think he has lots of potential and could be better than Doucoure. But I wouldn't expect him to start pulling up trees any time soon, he'd be one for the future. Most of us would agree we need quality right now. Doesn't necessarily have to be Doucoure, there are a few players out there. But he's an option.
Zakaria has the benefit of playing next to Xhaka for the national side, so i'm keen to see him at the World Cup. His defensive stats are also very good, but he's not a very complete passer just yet. Doucoure offers much more in passing and going forward.
Anyway, lots of different options. Who knows what the f*ck'll happen.
I don't think it's absurd at all. Think he'd kick straight off in our system.
Good player, would add some much needed strength and mobility to the side.
Not sure he would make much of a difference in shielding the defence, since we are wide open most of the time anyway, regardless of who plays or what formation.
Physically stronger and slightly better on the ball. Both of them have got great engines and like to work at both ends of the pitch. Don't know where this leaves Ramsey though cause I see Doucoure more as a Ramsey replacement than a Xhaka replacement. Maybe we're preparing for life without Ramsey.
Not sure how much you have seen of Doucoure but I have watched him a lot this season and he isn't a defensive midfielder. He is a very good box to box midfielder. He is basically your complete midfielder and I don't see Zakaria as that as his passing is so inferior in comparison. That is what sets Doucoure apart from Zakaria and Fabinho. Doucoure betters both their stats in the Premier League. He only is inferior to Fabinho in the air, but overall statistically he is the better player. He also breaks lines with passing and has a really good range.
However he is so good because he has Capoue alongside him. A pure defensive midfielder. In an ideal world you would buy both Zakaria and Doucoure, sell Ramsey, and keep Wilshere. You would then have 3 robust partnerships and only one injury prone player.
You could also form a 3 and dominate the midfield further.
You could even have Lacazette with auba and play Özil wide.
Zakaria is still developing but his level of talent allows him to contribute now. And his passing range is more than capable, he’s also much better on the ball than Doucoure. Just my opinion.
I'd be on board with it. A massive bonus is that he plays alongside Xhaka for the national team.
That's a very balanced midfield. Would require the sale of Ramsey and Koulibaly to.really sure things up but that would be an excellent side.
We need an overhaul in midfield anyway. He has shown some superb qualities, would be cheap as well.
Would sell Ramsey and buy this guy + another.
TBH I'd offer Welbeck + 10M.
IMO decent for both sides.
Just like when people say "CAM" which is a made up position on FIFA.
You say this
Then follow it up with this.
For someone that has watched 'a lot' of Doucoure this season, I'd have assumed you'd know:
Capoue has barely started for the side this season, and was nowhere near the side when Doucoure was in his best form over the first half of the season. Cleverly and Chalobah were the preferred options and Hughes was just starting to find his feet before he was injured. Doucoure's form has zero to do with Capoue because in reality, his best games and his best form have come alongside other.
Capoue is not a 'pure' defensive midfielder. He's lazy and the start of last season, which is where he showed his best form, he was playing box to box in the same role Doucoure is playing now.
How often has Doucoure played as the more defensive minded midfielder? Chalobah tends to sit and Ben Watson is also defensive. Watford also play a 3 on occasion. Whenever I see Doucoure he tends to be bombing forward and although he is physical and can recover, I wouldn't say his speciality is tackling and defending.
How often did he play with Cleverley alongside him as that would probably be the equivalent of playing alongside a Wilshere or Ramsey?
We should be aiming to sign Doucoure and Fabinho. Our midfield is so lightweight.
You tell me, you are the one that apparently has watched Doucoure heaps so you should know.
Watford haven't really played with a holding midfielder for most of this season, which is why I jumped on your for your Capoue comments. They've played with 3 in the middle who at times, have all been fairly dynamic and cover for one another. Doucoure worked best with Chalobah alongside of him and Cleverly in front, because when one got forward, the other would cover.
There seems to be this huge buzz around finding a holding player in the mould of Kante, like it's going to solve all of our problems. I can tell you now that if we signed Kante tomorrow, within 6 months we'd be treating him the same way we treated Coquelin, criticising him for not contributing to our attack, etc.
The reality is that a progressive, disciplined manager can easily get a midfield functioning superbly without needing a set defensive midfielder. You can sign any midfielder in the world while Wenger is around and they are going to get exposed because the midfield will never function as a unit. When one goes forward, one must stay back, but under Wenger that isn't a requirement as it's all about 'freedom'.
Doucoure is a quality player and having an absolutely superb season, following in from his storming end to last season. He's done superbly wherever he has gone, including while on loan in Spain. Unfortunately though if he came to us, within 6 months he'd be treated in the same way we treat all our midfielders because they are set up to fail.