Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by blaze_of_glory, Jan 30, 2016.
Things need to change now! to save fourth,
ffs do you realize that St Totteringhams day is close to being cancelled this year?
Alexis have ALL rights to complain, he is the one player that has performed on par together with just a few others like Kos
Don't you think they have already kept it in the team? and how has that worked out?
I don't think you can compare RVP's situation and that of Alexis. RVP was here for years, spent most of it on the treatment table and gave us one incredible season and went to one of our biggest most hated rivals. By comparison Alexis has been here for 2 seasons and given his all, in fact he's been our best player since he arrived, cant ask more than that. If he was pissed off on Sat, I don't blame him, it was a crazy decision by Wenger that back fired spectacularly.
Rest of the squad must be cat people.
Have been thinking about this a bit.
First of all, yes of course the players should do their job and do what the manager asks them to do in both training and in matches. I have no issue with that. But it isn't a rule that cannot under any circumstances be broken. There will be instances where a player needs to be able to make his frustration known. Important to note is that this probably doesn't come out of the blue. Alexis has looked frustrated and irritated for quite a while now. I suspect he thinks what many of us are thinking. That the club isn't progressing, that many players are just along for the ride and a pay check and that Wenger is fine with that.
Secondly, none of us know exactly what was said and done. Maybe Alexis behaved out of order or he had a real reason for having a fit. Regardless he should have handled it better, but I refuse to through him under the bus for this. He is one of our few warriors and he always gives 100%. If we lose him we will be a worse side for it. I find it a poor state of affairs if we cannot deal with one big ego in the team. Especially if that ego belongs to a player who actually does his job week in and week out. I'd rather have one of Alexis than 10 of Walcott et al.
Like actually wanting to win... Throw that guy out. Let's all go hide in our warm beautiful shower...
Yeah I think we would all like more players with Alexis' intensity and of course ability. And you're right that we don't know all the details. But at the same time its pretty well-established that players walking out of training or acting like they are better than the rest of the squad isn't something that can be tolerated.
I think we should expect better from both sides in this. Better performances from the team, and more maturity from Alexis if these reports are true (and there is some indication that this may not have been the first incident he's had while here).
That's the second common sense sentence I've read on here today. What's AM coming to?
You never really see him with friends in general... Just dogs or occasionally his brother & agent.
Things might have to change and may be Sp**s might be ahead of us. Also, alexis has been doing well this season. But none of it excuses his lack of effort in the Bayern match. Also, showing your frustration during a match is not helpful to anyone. He is equally a part of the team failure. It is not like Alexis can do whatever he wants because he is playing well. He has to work within the team dynamics to help the team. If he is unhappy with something he should take it up with Wenger and not show it on the pitch.
Not learning English hasn't helped - though I expect that's Wenger's fault
Alexis speaks ok English doesn't he? Gave an interview in English a while back I thought... And he did one of those unclassic commentary things in English.
Lack of effort in the Bayern match? He was the only one who looked like scoring, and actually scored. But even if he was absolute dogsh!tin that game, why pick that game out with his remarkable numbers? This is getting more absurd by the post.
Also, you don't see people wetting themselves whenever Özil hrows strops on the pitch (and he does) while contributing the square route of zilch. Oh, It's because he cares whenever he does it, or the great man just 'expects more'. He also 'deserves better' etc etc.
I think you're being a bit disingenuous here. No one on the team has got as much flak for their body language and apparent whinging on the pitch as Özil (well, maybe Giroud). In fact, I almost posted about this very thing, to point out that Alexis is getting a pass by some people for doing exactly what they get sour at Özil for doing. And then saying its because he cares
Tbf, I think it was both. Some didn't like it, but most thought it was fine. I was fine with it, personally. It's not like he was stabbing people randomly.
I think it's much easier to give a contributing player a pass for an attitude than a non contributing player. Henry was famous for glaring at teammates and just generally being a moody bastard and nobody cared because he was the talisman. Would anyone really like to say they'd have put up with the same behavior from someone like Nasri who was talented but blew hot and cold? It's pretty natural to make certain allowances for players who contribute more to winning that others. Messi isn't a saint by any means but nobody cares because he's box office. This is not something uniquely afforded to Alexis. In sport, in the arts in life those who contribute to projects are afforded a bit of leeway with their conduct.
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