Are we the worst run football club in the league?

[bingobob]

What was the lie regarding the move to the Emirates?

Our Ultras are virtual ones. Raging on the net from Rotherham to Runnymede to Rangoon. Rows of empty seats in the stadium though.

That it would have us competing with the big boys. As it turns out the stadium move killed us by tieing up hundreds of millions in bricks and mortar rather than on the pitch.

Of course people will say how where the club to know. In simple terms it was an investment decision which means risk. And they took the decision with all the risk involved and got it wrong. In any other business when you gamble your future and get it people get pink slips.

 

[Mo Britain]

That it would have us competing with the big boys. As it turns out the stadium move killed us by tieing up hundreds of millions in bricks and mortar rather than on the pitch.

Of course people will say how where the club to know. In simple terms it was an investment decision which means risk. And they took the decision with all the risk involved and got it wrong. In any other business when you gamble your future and get it people get pink slips.

Quite. It wasn't a lie, it was the most sensible decision at the time. You could not sustain ambition and stay at Highbury.

Several things happened to change the picture. FFP became a joke. There was a change of ownership at the Arsenal. All sorts of teams acquired sugar daddies.

 

[bingobob]

Quite. It wasn't a lie, it was the most sensible decision at the time. You could not sustain ambition and stay at Highbury.

Several things happened to change the picture. FFP became a joke. There was a change of ownership at the Arsenal. All sorts of teams acquired sugar daddies.

Chelsea had a sugar daddy before we left.

It was the wrong decision. As the money took off. You should watch a film called the big short. It's a good way of viewing what we did wrong and how everyone but a few others thought what we done was sensible. Let's investment in property
It's flawless. Well actually it is. And we will bet against it. And property lost.

We tied up hundreds of millions and had to sell all our best players rather than keep them. It was a huge decision that went horribly wrong.

 

[OSBK]

Quite. It wasn't a lie, it was the most sensible decision at the time. You could not sustain ambition and stay at Highbury.

Several things happened to change the picture. FFP became a joke. There was a change of ownership at the Arsenal. All sorts of teams acquired sugar daddies.

All of which were seen coming a mile off.

 

[Mo Britain]

I'll look that film up.

We borrowed money to build a stadium in order to massively increase revenue in order to be able to compete financially. No one would have lent us a sausage to buy players but they were prepared to lend with the security of bricks and mortar.

Not unless you consider Ken Bates to be a sugar daddy. The land for the ground was bought in 2000. Abramovich took over Chelsea in 2003.

The way television money exploded in that decade was not foreseeable. It evened out the playing field, to an extent, and made matchday revenue less important. But that was not known in the late nineties which is why many teams were planning on stadium expansion.

The crucial factor was to lose the football vision by selling out to a parasite such as Kronke and even there we were unlucky. Had Danny Fiszman not died young Kronke might never have gained a majority of the shares.

 

[bojed]

We are the worst run half-top football team in the league.

 

[arun_1994]

i still think we’re a top club but obviously something has to change. I think there is more to it then ‘wenger out’. Say Arsène goes end of this season or next when his contracts up and we get in a top manager. Will he not inherit the same problems as Wenger? The problem I think is the owner in terms of money. Of course we can’t compete with the Manchester clubs in terms of wages and transfer budget so is that down to Wenger? No. Does wenger have the funds to spend top money on players? No. If he did, would he? I don’t know. It’s a mess. But all we see Wenger so fans target him but I think there is more to it then just blaming him. It’s horrible how he has been treated but it’s expected in this day and age in football but until the korenke ****s off I don’t think anything will change because most of it comes down to him. Granted he doesn’t choose the line up etc but without adequate investment in the squad what do we expect

 

[Mark Tobias]

There is no discussion here. We are. SImple.

 

[Camus]

According to reports it's only two from Malcom, Mkhitaryan and Aubameyang. They also say we wont sanction a Sanchez deal unless Mkhitaryan is apart of it a player + £15-20million deal. Other report suggest our opening Aubameyang offer is Giroud + £35million. And if those two go through we wont be signing Malcom for £40+5milllion.

If all that is true then along with the imminent sale of Walcott to go along with this months Coquelin on top of the summer sales, then doing the math it seems the club are hell bent on not spending a single penny. Literally every deal needs to be covered by outgoing.

Our season is basically over and January isn't usually a good time to buy players, so I'd forgive the club if they're trying to push through deals now for minimal costs for the sake of saving money for summer transfers. But with our club you just know that won't be the case. Will do nothing for the majority of the summer and fans will pressure Wenger and the board for summer transfers and they'll just point to the two we've signed this window (if we do sign them) as reasons why we're not signing anyone. And it'll compounded even worse by a drawn out Özil saga which will unavoidably end with him leaving on a free and being replaced at the last minute with a 2nd, 3rd, 4th choice panic buy.

But even still, is the club so poor that it can't go £30-40million in the red this January to secure all three targets and still spend in the summer? Even Everton and outspending us in terms of net spend and they're a club who's season is even deader than ours.

 

[redanddread]

 

[TheArsenalis]

That it would have us competing with the big boys. As it turns out the stadium move killed us by tieing up hundreds of millions in bricks and mortar rather than on the pitch.

Of course people will say how where the club to know. In simple terms it was an investment decision which means risk. And they took the decision with all the risk involved and got it wrong. In any other business when you gamble your future and get it people get pink slips.

we put our self in controlled debt. controlled being the operative word, the only trouble was the speed on which we chose to pay off the debt. it was a silly thing to do. we didnt need to, we sacrificed the development of the team to a point it made no sense. we could have used the debt itself to build the team since it is already there.

it was a money move and not for footballing reason

 

[Big Poppa]

There is no discussion here. We are. SImple.

We took a massive gamble and put all our eggs in one basket with expectations that homegrown rule and FFP would be rigidly enforced and place us ahead of our competitors.

The sales of Szceszny, Coquelin, Walcott, Chamberlain, Gibbs etc in the space of 6 months suggest very clearly that we have decided to abandon and start over. My beef is with our failure to act quickly enough to see what was happening. These were at best, a set of best practice guidelines with no recourse for legislative enforcement.
That we decided to mortgage our future on guidelines and stubbornly persist in the hope we'd be proved right and everyone else wrong deserves multiple heads being rolled.

 

[Sniper Mik]

 

[Big Poppa]

Thing is, and I alluded to this on my previous post, matchday revenue is dwarfed by television rights, sponsorship and shareholder equity.

Our revenue source has to be that big because we lag so far behind in the other areas, albeit that is the path we chose to take as we deemed it to be more 'self sustaining'.

 

[Arsenal1508]

Yes we are the worst run club now.

Losing the next generation of supporters due to not winning big trophies.

Waiting to transfer deadline day to get transfers done.

Pisses me off.

 

[TheArsenalis]

Yes we are the worst run club now.

Losing the next generation of supporters due to not winning big trophies.

Waiting to transfer deadline day to get transfers done.

Pisses me off.

its not the not winning thats pisss me off, its the lack of being competitive. its like we are not trying i can stand losing but we lose without dignity, without fight.

we are poorly equipped at best.
Sp**s could be proud of their team in the last 5 years, they aint won nothing but they lose in the silly ways we do as often as we do

 

[TheArsenalis]

i still think we’re a top club but obviously something has to change. I think there is more to it then ‘wenger out’. Say Arséne goes end of this season or next when his contracts up and we get in a top manager. Will he not inherit the same problems as Wenger? The problem I think is the owner in terms of money. Of course we can’t compete with the Manchester clubs in terms of wages and transfer budget so is that down to Wenger? No. Does wenger have the funds to spend top money on players? No. If he did, would he? I don’t know. It’s a mess. But all we see Wenger so fans target him but I think there is more to it then just blaming him. It’s horrible how he has been treated but it’s expected in this day and age in football but until the korenke ****s off I don’t think anything will change because most of it comes down to him. Granted he doesn’t choose the line up etc but without adequate investment in the squad what do we expect

sounds like your running to his defense. a new manager bring new life and enthusiasm. bring in someone with drive and purpose. better team selection. this same squad of players can do better. these very same player we trash can show us more.
elneny aside, we had Özil sanchez, mustafi and lacazette. and even xaka, 5/5 worthy players. we did invest why ddnt it work could only go down to the manager and deployment of who is brings.

 

[SomGooner]

Yes and f*ck that failed porn star moustache having **** called Kroenke.

Glad Rams got smashed by another perennial choker in Matt Ryan & co , Glad that the Nuggets are RUBBISH and glad that the Rapids are a joke and long may it continue.

Jared Goff is a bust who should’ve never been a top 10 pick never mind #1 over all, and without Todd Gurley he’d look like the bust that he is.

 

[arun_1994]

sounds like your running to his defense. a new manager bring new life and enthusiasm. bring in someone with drive and purpose. better team selection. this same squad of players can do better. these very same player we trash can show us more.
elneny aside, we had Özil sanchez, mustafi and lacazette. and even xaka, 5/5 worthy players. we did invest why ddnt it work could only go down to the manager and deployment of who is brings.

So what's better with the squad we have? Even if we had Pep with this squad we wouldn't win the league. Money is very important in the game in this day and age as we all know. Let's be real, the only world class players we have in this team are Özil, Sanchez and Wilshere if he can stay fit and play consistently. Sanchez will be gone and maybe Özil. Lacazette did well in France but he hasn't done much over here...it's his first season though. Great link up play, he suits Arsenal but he needs goals.

If Wenger is in total control of the transfers then he's to blame perhaps. Please don't tell me the board aren't at all responsible. Offering Jack are reduction in his basic wage? I read today that they've even made CUTS in the CANTEEN at Arsenal. It's ridiculous. The money is a huge problem at Arsenal. Kroenke I feel is just taking the money out of this club. I'd rather see Usmanov in as the new owner. On the + side, we're linked with Aubameyang, which would be a good replacement for Alexis. But there's a lot of work to do at this club.
Why play for Arsenal when you can earn £300,000 + at another top club? We can all say Chelsea under Abrahamovic have 'bought' the league or City etc but I'd rather have my INVEST heavily in the team and WIN then not..

 

[say yes]

Posted this in the transfer thread but touches on the broader changes going on at the club as well so worthy of a repost here. Basically, in answer to the question: Not any more?


Very promising on the staff changes at the top of Arsenal.

Incredibly sad/worrying that we’ve waited this long to build a support structure around/on top of Wenger, but no point crying over spilt milk.