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Arsène Wenger: My Life and Lessons In Red & White

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by American_Gooner, Apr 12, 2020.

  1. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Got Swerved By Gallas Trusted

    I don’t think we know anyone’s attitude behind closed doors and it’s all guesswork on our part.

    What we do know is that he forced his move through via some disrespectful gestures to the club.

    If you remove the “him vs Wenger” angle it’s pretty indefensible. Every other single player we sold whether it was to a rival or not didn’t have to carry on like he did.

    The club never acted affronted they just seemed to want market value.
     
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  2. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    It still doesn’t explain why he allegedly carried on like he did. All he had to do was say ‘im going to Barca’ and that’s that. Barca, naturally, will know he wants to come and the price would reflect that. As you stated, the club never made it harder for others by demanding silly money so why would that have been of concern to Cesc? That’s why I think it all points to Wenger or the club being difficult in some way as well, which probably pissed Cesc off.
     
  3. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Got Swerved By Gallas Trusted

    I think the simplest answer is that as they’ve shown time and time again Barca are the biggest skinflints under the sun, and were trying to push some derisory offer for one of the elite players in world football.

    When the club were clearly sticking to a valuation as was their right, Cesc ended up engaging in some skulduggery - probably at Rossell and Pep’s behest - to force the deal through.

    He can’t really have his cake and eat it, if you take drastic steps and sh*t all over the club and fans I don’t know why they’re required to care so much about you after you’re retired.
     
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  4. Kingpin181

    Kingpin181 Member

    He's such a classy guy, you feel he's still too honourable to really spill the beans of the going ons at board room level. The scummy fans who celebrate the fact they hounded him out should be ashamed. A great great man!
     
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  5. RunTheTrap

    RunTheTrap Well-Known Member

    Mourinho is a bit like Homelander to me. Wants to be seen as godly and superior to his peers but suffers from a very human insecurity. Poor guy just wants validation and to be loved. Mourinho could win the league 5 times in a row and there's a part of him that knows deep down he'll never be respected the same way Arsène was. I mean truly respected by your peers and adversaries. Honestly, it's all a bit sad. When you look past the trophies, name-calling, and headlines, Jose's no different from a Kardashian.
     
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  6. RunTheTrap

    RunTheTrap Well-Known Member

    I would love it if Wenger came in for Southgate and took England to World Cup 2022. Maybe he won't win a CL but a World Cup is a worthy substitute. Imagine what he could do with a Grealish, Foden, Sancho, Saka, Bellingham, Sterling etc. I think it would be easier for him too. International football is more about player quality than actual tactics. FFS Jochaim Lowe has a World Cup medal and I doubt he would even do a better job than Scott Parker at Fulham. I think only France beat England, maybe Germany too on player quality but I still think under a progressive manager England can be favourites.
     
  7. Macho

    Macho Not Here For The Athletic's BS Trusted

    I’d like to see Wenger at Bayern Munich or PSG myself.

    Don’t think international is hands on enough for him, imagine Mourinho telling him Kane is “injured” and etc. Sure France would want a word anyways - they’ve always felt envy for what he’s done for English football.


    He relishes development, involvement and control you don’t really get that as national team coach.
     
  8. Mrs Bergkamp

    Mrs Bergkamp Established Member Trusted

    Cesc wanted out in 2010. 2010-2011, Barca did the treble. I can understand his agitation to leave and be part of that legendary team and return home at the same time. The way he went about it was poor, but I cant help but respect him as when he wore our shirt, he gave everything and played when injured which is a real rarity with some of our lot. Barca also won the treble a year after he left so his dream wasn't all he expected. He did well there but only three years and not a main player whereas for us, he was everything. As for his return, we couldn't forsee Santi's injury and Özil's retirement but I wish we'd resigned him.
     
  9. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    You don’t, but you don’t get the pressure every week either and he’s an old man now. International management, if any management at all, is about as high pressure as I’d like to see him involved in. He hasnt got the time to lay foundations at a club! High pressure club football for a guy who was considered outdated is the last thing he needs now. Watching him fail at his age would be awful.
     
  10. bingobob

    bingobob A-M’s Resident Hunskelper Trusted

    The way the English team is shaping up I'm sure Wenger could develop a fair few of them. I would go as far as to say his limited involvement would be better than full time for them.

    Mourinho when asked why Wenger didn't mention him in his book. Deep down I bet he is raging.
     
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  11. Macho

    Macho Not Here For The Athletic's BS Trusted

    He’d walk Bundesliga and La Ligue 1 with his eyes closed - with the teams I've mentioned.

    Emery won French league and the team didn’t even like him. Wenger isn’t the en vogue 30 year old manager wearing Gucci on the sidelines running up and down - but he’s got enough vigour for one more stint imo. Especially if he’s walking into an elite team that lets him work.

    He looks well.
     
  12. Macho

    Macho Not Here For The Athletic's BS Trusted

    His book and interviews lets me know he misses the day to day.
     
  13. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    I'm not sure to be honest. I think he's 100% done as a club coach, I think being so removed from it all for over 2 years now and given the fact he's in is 70's it'll be difficult to get back into it the way he's done before. If he does it'll have to be purely just coaching, I don't think he'd be able to do what he did at Arsenal at another club. Even listening to him in recent interviews he seems to be questioning himself as to why he put so much energy into doing so much for so long. Maybe even he realises he was doing too much here and at the end it probably contributed to the team suffering as a result. I do also think the ship has sailed in terms of a club like PSG or that making him manager, I don't think many owners will be interested, not of that calibre anyways. None of the elite clubs want to appoint a 70 year old nowadays regardless of reputation.

    I do think the national team would suite him more now, but I think in general he might be done completely. Maybe if Deschamps was to step aside after the next Euros he could take them in Qatar but even that seems unlikely at this stage.
     
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  14. bingobob

    bingobob A-M’s Resident Hunskelper Trusted

    I'm sure managing England he would still be involved. Youth teams, watching games being on hand to help managers as well. It'll be a different hands on but he could set up the whole English system based in his imagine. From under 12s right through.
     
  15. Jury

    Jury Mission Accomplished

    He looks well for not being involved! The last few years wore on him. Ideally he’d walk into a setup primed for winning and he’d coast to a couple titles without undue stress, before riding off a winner again, but not sure those jobs are around at the top level.
     
  16. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    I’m not sure Wenger is cut out for the modern club game, think his time is over in that regard.

    Could still manage an international team though, but I’m sure he said only an Englishman should manage England etc.

    France would be fun under him, but to be fair to Didier Deschamps he is getting results despite maybe not playing sexy football so you can’t really question him.

    Overall, think Wenger is done. Then again, you see monkeys like Ole, Lampard and Southgate with the biggest jobs in the world.
     
  17. TakeChillPill

    TakeChillPill Well-Known Member

    The fact that he knows that wenger didn't beat him in 14 games is the saddest part lol
     
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  18. bingobob

    bingobob A-M’s Resident Hunskelper Trusted

    Deep down not being mentioned hurt him. Not even a footnote in Wengers autobiography.

    Arsène lives in his head rent free.
     
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  19. El Granit-Coq

    El Granit-Coq Well-Known Member

    Mourinho is definetely seething.

    Can't wait to pick up this book
     
  20. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator


    Full quote:
    “It does not upset me. With him its constant provocation. I feel like I am at kindergarten, but that is part of his personality. And it is false, we beat him (2 out of 19 times). We won, and there were also a lot of draws… And it is not “you” who wins, you participate in the victory. It is “we” who win. The manager is there to get the maximum out of the team.”
     

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