Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by TheLoneFalcon, Sep 22, 2014.
that's impressive work
The thing that Arsenal should do if it isn't is take a loan from its cash reserves for the value the Adidas deal will add next season. It's guaranteed income.
The more summers we aren't competing the bigger the gap gets
@Gooner Zig thoughts? Why would they not budget with the increased commercial revenue for the coming season?
350m on wages and contracts/bonuses, and people still ask why Everton or other mid table teams can spend more money than us
I'm not concerned about our budget, the less we have the better. It's time for everyone to understand what type of business model can we afford here.
The budget could still change though, not every transfer is payed in full immediately. If they want to invest heavily they will spread the costs over 2-3 transfer windows, but that would results in smaller budget next summer.
Since we completely stopped player development to please the fans who were too annoyed with youth, we are finally in a position where we have nothing to sell, except for potentially getting part of investments back from Chambers, Mustafi or Elneny, but that's questionable do to their wages.
For me it's exciting time ahead, we are going back to a business model that worked so well for us from 1998 to 2008, buying cheap gems on small contracts, integrating academy players, and selling players that we used enough and got their best years here (Henry, Vieira, Fabregas). We just need different manager for that and get rid of Emery.
If we are smart enough, there is a potential to reduce the squad costs for 50-100m in the next 2 years, and then we can talk about bringing in brightest talents from abroad like Dembele, Mbappe and de Jong. Mixing them with our best academy products would make us top team again
good point, and to be fair, i should have included the change in net payables for player transactions to make my estimate of spare cash even better.
luckily (for me), it seems this inclusion would not have affected the results. in each of the last three seasons, we've owed almost exactly 60 million more to other clubs relative to what they've owed to us, so it seems like that's a level our management is comfortable with. and if that net deficit continues to stay the same, it won't impact the spare cash we have. obviously if we decide to pay off that debt, then it will reduce the spare cash for the following season (as you rightly said).
Just got back from a bachelor weekend, also my parents are coming to visit from Australia so won't be able to get to this for a day or two.
1) We tend to artificially inflate our wages by including image rights which other clubs don't, so this isn't a fair assessment on how much we are spending vis-a-vis other clubs. Having said that we do have two top players in Auba/Özil who are making more than any players in any mid table club, except Man Utd!
Emery definitely isn't making the most of the squad he has, which is why its imperative we sack him.
2) We didn't do it to please the fans, although the fans lack of willingness to tolerate the youth policy was regrettable it was brought on by the board misleading people into believing that we could spend big and the policy was only there because our manager was mad.
The real reason we gave up the youth policy was because it became too "expensive" for Kroenke's blood. Firstly clubs like Chelsea were starting to move into that area so we stopped getting the best young talents, Thats when Liam Brady left. Secondly players like Nasri wanted to get payed and we weren't willing to pay. So we scrapped it, better to get cheap "under-valued" talent like Merte, and Arteta. The thing is most of the times you don't get those players, instead you get a Mustafi.
3) This is the same crap Kroenke and the board have been peddling since he took over, that The light is just around the corner. Instead we are moving backwards. We are now looking to get back to where we were when the stadium move happened.
Firstly 1998 to 2008 is not one monolithic period. When Wenger joined we spent big on Overmars, Bewrgkamp, etc. We got highly talented players who didn't breakthrough at other clubs like Vieira. Wenger had knowledge of players that other top clubs just didn't like Anelka, Petit, Weah, Thuram, etc. None of this could happen today.
We also had a spine of excellent British footballers who were Arsenal through and through and many of whom had already won the league twice including almost going unbeaten in 91(?). Seaman, Adams, Bould, Winterburn, Keown, Dixon, Parlour, Wrighty. None of this is true today.
We then added to these players by picking up Henry after he failed at Juve(These days most big clubs would rather see highly talented players stay and fail, then sell them). We also outgunned Madrid for Pires signature (we were always top two back then and considered a big club, this wouldn't work as well today). Then there was the coup de grace outbidding Barca, Inter(back when they had Moratti's oil money) and a slew of other top clubs for Sol's services.
My point is the game has changed, a renewed "cheap" youth policy isn't feasible anymore. All the best players young or not are pretty much known and cost a bomb, what did Vinicius Jr cost Madrid? The best clubs aren't going to let us get these players without a fight. They'd rather bring these players in early, or let them go to Sevilla, Dortmund etc. And get them later then risk them coming here and losing them forever.
The fact is now is the time to spend big and compete. We've got Özil and Auba in their primes for another 2-3 seasons. The squad is capable of more than Emery has achieved this season. If this is to work we need to sack him. Get a truly world class manager and with our new commercial money spend big. It would be a difficult task for any manager, but Wenger can make it work.
What I have outlined is the only sensible course of action. We cant afford to give Emery a couple 100Ms only to see him piss it away. Then we would have to wait until our next deal, only if he ****s up and we spend the next few seasons yo-yoing in and out of top4 we might not see as much next time. Lack of regular CL football over the next few years could really hurt the club's recognition and brand value. Midtable mediocrity here we come! Throw in one or two finishes out of the top 6 and we would be ****ed.
What you are selling is Kroenke's snake oil. The players you listed, Dembele, Mbappe, de Jong etc are the upcoming young talents that we used to sign, they are the Cesc, RvP, Messi of their time. They are just being discovered and developed a lot faster.
Going cheap in 2019 means buying Mustafi, Xhaka, Guendozzi, Torreira etc.
If we are lucky we will get a Laca.
Bringing back Wenger and spending big(within our means) is the only way.
EDIT: The only reason to keep Emery and not spend this summer is If Kroenke has decided he's just going to sell the club eventually and wants to hold on as long as possible for footballing inflation to take place (real inflation stopped happening after the 2008 crash). He would just be enriching himself at the expense of the club and we can't allow that.
Not a fan of betting sponsorships. Hope it's a good deal for us at least.
Is that you Arsène?
It's promoting what is going to be the biggest problem amongst young males over the next 10-20 years. Sad how money rules.
Betting companies have huge stacks of cash. Bet365 are the money backers behind tile mountain the company who are buying other large companies all over in that industry. Its another boat we should have jumped on some time ago.
If I was Arsène I would have ****ed these guys up years ago, by telling the truth. This club would be in a very different place today.
Knowing Arsène’s character I can’t see him doing that bro. Even now. He’s too classy for kiss and tell.
Long story short, not great.
If that is acurate we are fudged for a few years yet
I've been trying to explain these things for months, people just don't understand. We are EL club paying CL wages to players who shouldn't be at the club in the first place.
He's still out of a job.. I wonder why. Has nothing to do with the managerial mess he left us in.
This is the Kronke effect beginning to take hold. Our revenues are now performing like our players on the pitch and we are, as I keep saying, a mini-oligarch or two away from slipping out of Europe altogether.
The mediocrity of Kronke is here to stay and drag us down further.
Like it's Kroenke's doing that the commercial deals fall short or that we're stuck with Özil on massive wages.
Bad decisions on all levels of the club have been the cause of the revenue falling.
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