Arsenal Supporters Trust AGM

[goonerwarsh]

What Dixon said about Tony Adams managing the team and making players like Cole great defenders, is exactly what David Seaman told me personally.

I went to a meet and greet in 2011 and Seaman told me the exact same thing, he said that Tony was 90% the manager and Wenger was very quiet and let Tony get on with it. Also that Tony's word was final on mostly everything on the pitch and Wenger never disagreed or challenged him. Seaman also told me that the players behind the scenes adored Tony and guys like Henry and Viera looked up to him.

On a side note David Seaman is a absolute gentleman, very nice guy and so polite and chatty.

People underestimate what Tony Adams meant to the club. When Graham went the star of the team was Ian Wright, but the first man David Adrian spoke to and confided in was Adams. He asked him to steady the ship until they could sort things out at that level.

You can say what you like about his management career, his personality etc. But never under estimate just what an important character he was in terms of Arsenal’s history. He was as natural leader of men as I’ve seen closely followed by Vieira after him. We’ve had classier centre backs for sure but none with his strength of character and will. I would cut my right arm off to have someone who cared about the shirt as much as Adams did and who could install the ways and pride of the club to new player or member of staff that comes in.

 

[Tosker]

People underestimate what Tony Adams meant to the club. When Graham went the star of the team was Ian Wright, but the first man David Adrian spoke to and confided in was Adams. He asked him to steady the ship until they could sort things out at that level.

You can say what you like about his management career, his personality etc. But never under estimate just what an important character he was in terms of Arsenal’s history. He was as natural leader of men as I’ve seen closely followed by Vieira after him. We’ve had classier centre backs for sure but none with his strength of character and will. I would cut my right arm off to have someone who cared about the shirt as much as Adams did and who could install the ways and pride of the club to new player or member of staff that comes in.

this does explain the rather bitter things he said recently about Wenger, but what a shame he didn't stick around to coach when he got the chance

 

[shootxhakashoot]

Has anyone else watched 89? That whole bunch had so much heart and character about them and the club let alone the team hasn't been the same since Adams left. I spent my formative years of supporting Arsenal watching that lot, all cared about the club and still do, cant see anyone in the current shower apart from Wilshere who get near to understanding what it means to play for Arsenal and the history of the club. The fact that Wenger has kept Adams away is particularly damning in my opinion as he is exactly the sort of leader we need around, monetary demands from Adams shouldnt come into it when our failure of a manager is being paid 8mill a year for the current happenings.
Adams has more love for the history of Arsenal and a bigger legacy than Arsène Wenger has in his little finger.

 

[Rimaal]

In your opinion what does he do ?

Until perhaps this season, he runs the club.

 

[HBL]

We could easily get £100m through selling players, especially if some of players have a good World Cup. £30m is an awful transfer budget for a club the size of ours though.

 

[TriniGunner]

Every single player who's left Wenger said the same thing. Fabregas said it when he went to Barcelona. RVP said it when he left and even Clichy. Imagine the trophies we could have won if Wenger took some advice and actually COACHED the team.

 

[RichWeath]

But does anyone actually believe that Arséne Wenger learned Ashley Cole how to defend? I have never believed anything like that. Tony Adams choosed to earn big money instead of working for the club btw. I respect him for his time as a player but today he seem to be a very greedy and bitter man.

Definitely didn't learn him, doubt he taught him either

 

[tap-in]

People underestimate what Tony Adams meant to the club. When Graham went the star of the team was Ian Wright, but the first man David Adrian spoke to and confided in was Adams. He asked him to steady the ship until they could sort things out at that level.

You can say what you like about his management career, his personality etc. But never under estimate just what an important character he was in terms of Arsenal’s history. He was as natural leader of men as I’ve seen closely followed by Vieira after him. We’ve had classier centre backs for sure but none with his strength of character and will. I would cut my right arm off to have someone who cared about the shirt as much as Adams did and who could install the ways and pride of the club to new player or member of staff that comes in.

Best Captain we've ever had, was also the youngest ever England Captain if I recall. His mental strength was second to none, when you consider the Donkey chants and obviously the alcoholism, it makes you realise what a special mental strength he has. Ever since he went into management I have been hoping and preying he'd do well to increase his chances of becoming Arsenal manager. He hasn't had great success but I'd take him over Henry any day.

 

[Vinci]

No idea how much money is truly available, but no doubt Özil signing a new contract has also taken a big chunk out of the budget. Not only the hike in his wage, but probably also all kind of bonuses and a greedy agent pocketing a few more millions.

 

[Sapient Hawk]

This guy also tweeted some of Dixon's thoughts

Nothing new to me, everything were said before.

More an indictment of Bould seeing as he knew Arsène's character going in. If he wanted more authority he should've demanded it before replacing Pat Rice & when it was made clear he'd have no influence he could've walked.

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

Adams coached Cole, Wenger doesn't coach and nobody question him, and Bould told Bellerin to not make runs ahead of forwards.

Is that all Dixon said?

 

[lamby22]

Adams coached Cole, Wenger doesn't coach and nobody question him, and Bould told Bellerin to not make runs ahead of forwards.

Is that all Dixon said?

He said recruitment had been poor. He finds it hard watching the decline in the team. That 6 of the current starting 11 are not good enough. That the romantic in him wants Vieira as next manager but he acknowledges the need for a steady hand.

 

[krengon]

Until now, for last 21 years Wenger has just got lucky. He shows up and just get lucky. He is lucky someone else has done his job, always someone else. He was just lucky.

He finally run out of luck. No more luck for Wenger. He was never anything but lucky.

Funny thing is that there are people who actually believe that.. It's a wonder Wenger has achieved anything as a manager when he has never coached in his career. Also hilarious seeing some of these players sticking the knife in now, nevermind the fact Wenger saved those alcoholics careers/lives.

Not to forget just how amazing Adams has been as a manager.. That 90% manager experience during Wenger's time really served him well:

 

[Goonerozil33]

Some of the rewriting of history is incredible. Most of the players are not very intelligent enough to understand nuances of coaching or managing. Most of the English lads from the 90s and 2000s think shouting or rollicking is what managing is all about. Most of them speak in such absolutes like player x for will not make it, he is not good enough etc etc. At the end of the day i respect what Dixon, Keown,Vieira, Adams, Henry etc has done for the club. But Wenger has done more for the club and i think i would rather side with him and allow him to say what he wants over these wannabe pundits. Let us respect him enough to let him finish the season without all the acrimony

 

[Penn_]

So many bitter ex players. What Dixon says might be true but he puts it in such a way that looks like he's trying to discredit Wenger's achievements.

 

[6gunner]

This report does not include the PL TV money that is paid out at the end of the season--in time to add to our summer transfer kitty.

 

[leo9903]

Just need to look at the work he did with Monaco on a tiny budget last season. It was nothing short of remarkable.
Also, look at what's in Monaco's bank right now after they sold: Mbappé (160M), Mendy (40M?), B. Silva (I think 50M), Bakayoko (40M).
In one season, 290M went into their warchest. During the summer, they spent a whooping 80M to buy around 10 players who will also be re-sold for higher (Baldé, Tielemans, Lopes in particular).
Not to mention how much they will make on the sale of Fabinho and Lemar when they finally leave.

People talk about PSG, but the real magic happening in Ligue 1 is Monaco tbh lol

Yeah try doing that at Arsenal.
People'll say we're a selling club then...oh wait.

 

[CanadianGooner1608]

Yeah try doing that at Arsenal.
People'll say we're a selling club then...oh wait.

I'd take being a "selling club" that competes for the title like Monaco does while turning huge profits, with attractive football over being whatever we are at the moment
That might be the Monaco fan in me talking though hahaha

 

[Victarion]

Some of the rewriting of history is incredible. Most of the players are not very intelligent enough to understand nuances of coaching or managing. Most of the English lads from the 90s and 2000s think shouting or rollicking is what managing is all about. Most of them speak in such absolutes like player x for will not make it, he is not good enough etc etc. At the end of the day i respect what Dixon, Keown,Vieira, Adams, Henry etc has done for the club. But Wenger has done more for the club and i think i would rather side with him and allow him to say what he wants over these wannabe pundits. Let us respect him enough to let him finish the season without all the acrimony

"not very intelligent enough"? If you're going to question the intelligence of others you should try not to write such grammatical garbage in the very sentence in which you do so. And as far as intelligence goes, Wenger has a degree in economics yet brought in a "socialist" wage policy within a capitalist society that meant we simultaneously couldn't keep our best players and couldn't get rid of our worst players.

To make matters worse the wage policy was a confused hybrid of socialism and capitalism where the best weren't remunerated appropriately yet they all received far more than they actually needed from a socialist perspective. And this is Wenger's area of supposed expertise.

If Wenger is intelligent then he's failed to actually apply his intelligence far too often, so Occam's razor would suggest he's not actually very intelligent. As would his press conferences and post match interviews where he just repeats the same things over and over again.

 

[Goonerozil33]

"not very intelligent enough"? If you're going to question the intelligence of others you should try not to write such grammatical garbage in the very sentence in which you do so.

Wow!! Confusing grammar for intelligence. I imagine, in your world Einstein might have been an English professor.

As for the rest of your post, it is mostly garbage pretending to be an argument. So i will try to ignore.