Arsenal Tactics Talk

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by The_Roadrunner, Jan 19, 2015.

  1. RandomHero84

    RandomHero84 Well-Known Member

    This made me laugh out loud.
     
  2. blaze_of_glory

    blaze_of_glory The wheel turns Moderator

    Just with who we have now, assuming Wenger won't drop the likes of Cech, Mustafi and Hector. I think we could see a return to the 4-2-3-1. I'd love to see us go 4-4-2 in some way to get Laca and PEA on at the same time, but seems unlikely. Who knows though.


    -----------------Cech--------------------
    Hector-----Mustafi--Kos----Nacho/Kola
    ------------Jack-----Elneny-----------
    Ramsey----------Özil----------Mikhi
    -------------------PEA----------------
     
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  3. dashsnow17

    dashsnow17 Well-Known Member

    I don't know if Kos can be relied upon that much. If he continues this form till the end of the season he can no longer be considered an automatic starter. I'd buy another quality CB but I'd keep Mustafi. Three high quality defensive players are needed for us to compete at the very least.

    I hope we play 4-2-2-2 though and I hope it works.
     
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  4. al-Ustaadh

    al-Ustaadh Professor of Twitter

    Probably going to get some abuse for this, but I'd like us to go back to 3-4-3 for a few games.

    ---------------------Cech-----------------------
    -------Koscielny--Mustafi--Monreal---------
    Bellerin---Wilshere----Xhaka----Kolasinac
    --------------Mkhitaryan---Özil--------------
    ------------------------PEA-------------------------
     
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  5. Batman

    Batman Bruce Wayne

    Yeah agreed. Ideally he'd be replaced too but I just can't see us going big on 2 CBs in one window and I don't trust Mustafi under Wenger.
     
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  6. Vinci

    Vinci Head of the Asano Yakuza Clan

    Like this, seems like the best balanced side we can put out. I still have time for Lacazette, but maybe next season if we buy a proper defensive midfielder to partner Jack, a switch to 4-4-2 could work.
     
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  7. mavelous

    mavelous Well-Known Member Trusted

    You know, if you sell Elneny and Xhaka, it could easily cover half of transfer fee for Fabinho, or even 2/3. Not to mention the wages, those two must be on 200k combined.

    that still leaves enough for a senior CB, especially if Mustafi is moved on. the three younguns - Chambers, Holding and Mavro - should be assessed and maybe sent on loan, although that hasn't helped chambers much. doesn't seem to have the pace nor body for the EPL does he?

    New GK seems a stretch, but if Ospina leaves, a young but almost ready talent with high ceiling could be it.
     
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  8. Brown Gooner

    Brown Gooner Well-Known Member

    Has to be 442 or 3421 from now on.

    First team 442
    Hector Mustafi Kos Nacho
    Özil Jack Elneny Mkhi
    Lacazette Auba

    Second team 442
    Hector Chambers Holding Sead
    Nelson Ramsey Xhaka AMN
    Welbeck Eddie

    First team 3421
    ——Kos Mustafi Nacho——
    Hector Jack Xhaka Sead
    ——Özil———Mkhi——
    ———Auba/Laca———

    Second team 3421
    ——Chambers Per Holding——
    Hector Ramsey AMN Sead
    ——Nelson———Eddie——
    ————Auba/Laca————
     
  9. Dammit

    Dammit Well-Known Member

    I don't think we will try the 4-2-3-1 again, as we haven't got any senior wingers in the team. You also won't play two strikers upfront if you have only two strikers only in the team.

    Think we will continue with the 4-3-2-1 formation.

    cech - bellerín, koscielny, mustafi, moneral - wilshere, ramsey, xhaka - micki, özil - auba

    A GK, a DM and at least one CB is needed in the summer, but I would go for two and play Koscielny as a sub next year. I can also see Micki dropping to a CM role in the future and we will see an attacker coming in in 2019.
     
  10. Batman

    Batman Bruce Wayne

    True but we still do have to worry about depth. We don't want to be an injury away from a crisis as it seems we so often are. We need both numbers and quality which can be somewhat of a challenge. Wenger for some odd reason doesn't seem to remember how often we'd bring in sometimes 5 or 6 players in a window so that we always had quality depth and promising youngsters in the club. We clearly can do that now financially but I'm still not so sure we will. Hopefully this window is an indication in the affirmative.
     
  11. YeahBee

    YeahBee Sign all the Swedes

    Welbeck and Iwobi are cover for the strikers (Iwobi also ACM cover, CM in a pinch

    Welbeck should be able to play with either Laca/Auba (giroud would have been better)

    Eddie and probably some other youngster can get games to, or atleast subs

    really good for younger strikers to get playing time with another striker up there, they will get tons of space because they will be overlooked, easier to score easy goals
     
  12. Slartibartfast

    Slartibartfast Well-Known Member

    Just saw Nigel Winterburn use the Sky Sports Arsenal team selector to pick his lineup with the new players. Here's how he thinks they should line up (probably is the best option if they're going to stick with a single striker):

    [​IMG]
     
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  13. YeahBee

    YeahBee Sign all the Swedes

    if there is someone besides Jack that deserves to play until retirement it is Kos

    damn he has been great for us

    how many partners have he worked thru? 4?

    Squillaci? (Djorou )
    Vermaelen
    Per
    Mustafi

    he has been our rock . beating himself bloody for us, had we had better cover he would have had a longer career for sure
     
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  14. YeahBee

    YeahBee Sign all the Swedes

    ------- Ospina
    Bell--Kos--Mus--Kola
    ---Rams---Xha---Jck---
    -----------Özil---------
    ----Auba--- Laca--
     
  15. mavelous

    mavelous Well-Known Member Trusted

    Might as well move Xhaka to the middle of a back 3 and call potato a potato - a makeshift 3-4-3 where Alexis is replaced by Auba and Jack covers Ramsey's rambling find desperately trying to get the Hollywood goal
     
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  16. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan

    Auba
    Mkhi Özil
    Wilshere Ramsey
    AMN

    4-3-3 which reverts to a counter attacking 4-4-1-1 (Mkhi, AMN, Wilshere, Ramsey - Özil - Auba) or a 4-3-2-1/4-5-1 (AMN, Wilshere, Ramsey - Mkhi, Özil - Auba) in defense.
    There's also the option to play 4-4-2 diamond with both Auba and Laca, which could easily shift into a flat 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3

    Im generally more in favour of a midfield three, because that's one more body in there and I like the combination of a technical, passing player who can move with the ball and dictate play (Wilshere), a "free radical" floating around, being an outlet to receive the ball and keep ball circulation going, as well as putting in a defensive shift and being an attacking threat (Ramsey), and a holding player who's good enough on the ball to be part of ball circulation, can push up if need be but primarily protects the back 4 and recycles the ball (AMN).
     
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  17. Batman

    Batman Bruce Wayne

    I am a big fan of Kos. When I say replaced I don't want him gone. But just as with Kompany at City he is getting to a point where you just cannot count on him. Cazorla should be a warning sign of how serious an achilles can be if it decides to go and given that it's a recurring problem for Kos we should be concerned. That's before we even begin to discuss his obvious decline when he is fit. Don't get me wrong though, he's a wonderful player and I love him. I think he's been grossly underrated because we haven't been able to win the league. He's the only CB who has pocketed Messi on multiple occasions to the best of my recollection and he'll always have a special place in my heart.
     
  18. YeahBee

    YeahBee Sign all the Swedes

    And I have NO doubts that that man cant be Xhaka

    In a 4312 or 4411

    With two partners he doesnt have to move that much

    No need to push up because others (read Ramsey) does, Jack is also freed up some

    He reads the game, he is not afraid to tackle or head

    Not as exposed because Ramsey and jack (or Mkith) can chase the ball around more "recklessly" because they know they have Xhaka as a safety

    More people to pass in the area and the possibility and ability to play the long ball and there are options with two strikers up there

    Either striker, Özil or jack/Ramsey can drift wide when the mood strikes them and there are still players left

    We got wbs that have the stamina to provide offensive width to.

    Still want a class DM brought in for rotation and the possibility to play some games with a more defensive mindset with

    DM flanked by Xhaka and jack who all sit deep and just feed the strikers and özil

    Or ditch a striker and put jack and Ramsey on the wings in the 4411
     
  19. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan

    That's one of the main benefits of a three man midfield for Xhaka. Seems like in a centre two Wenger wants both CMs to push up, and that's highly detrimental to Arsenal. Arteta had a knack for getting it right, but since then...Lots of immobile guys were/are the deepest focal point of a midfield, with mobile guys running around them balancing it out. Xhaka was at his best when he had Dahoud next to him who was creating space for him with his movement while also being an outlet to pass to and take over. That's why Xhaka has looked best next to Wilshere, who is closest in profile to Dahoud.
    Speaking of Gladbach's midfield 2 and Xhaka, I wouldn't see it as a reason to stick to 2 CMs at Arsenal and push Ramsey out wide or onto the bench. Gladbach were tactically great under Favre and used auxiliary AMs/CMs in Stindl for example, to condense space in midfield, which would basically be Ramsey's role.
     
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  20. dashsnow17

    dashsnow17 Well-Known Member

    This must be sort of how Liverpool fans have been feeling for a while: we could be so strong in attack with Auba, Laca, Mkhi, Özil & Jack, but we just don't have the necessary defensive balance.

    It's all about the DM imo. We need one or two better defenders & a GK for sure, but a really good mobile DM would allow those 5 offensive players to play much better. Fabinho/Danilo Pereira/Ndidi/Zakaria could all potentially do that.

    But I really want to see AMN in that role between now and the summer. We'll only know how good he really is in midfield by playing him there. Xhaka has been given chances, Elneny has been given chances, now AMN needs some.
     
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