Arsenal Tactics Talk

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by The_Roadrunner, Jan 19, 2015.

  1. mug

    mug wump

    I'm enjoying seeing how many different setups are being proposed and they all look good to me.
    There always seem to be one elite player you'd like to see play, having to be left out (often Mkhi or Ramsey). We have a bit of depth.
     
  2. Garrincha

    Garrincha Wilf Zaha Aficionado

    I think your bang on if its a three man midfield.

    Makes no sense narrowing Xhakas passing angles & expecting him to be the runner. Sure he has been a liability at times but hopefully the extra man will help with this & the fact its a very good mobile tackler.

    Also less pressure on Torreira first season in a new league with a slightly freer role.
     
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  3. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    Not sure this is true. This was his bread and butter at Gladbach, dropping in and splitting the CBs and receiving the ball. It might not work as well if he's pressed but Torreira being capable of doing the same thing can give Xhaka more room. It definitely widens our options.
     
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  4. Zyrth

    Zyrth Well-Known Member

    Which is true too I suppose. Especially when his midfield partner goes on a walkabout at the other business end of the pitch, xhaka is left alone with more than 1 opponents looking to press him once he receives the ball.

    But compared him to torreira (from compilations), I’ve noticed that torreira more often than not looks to turn or at least is geared up to take on the presser. Kind of different to the way xhaka receives passes imo.
     
  5. Divided_Pie

    Divided_Pie Active Member

    Somebody I think posted this in another thread. It gives a really good perspective on Emery's use of tactics/personnel, particularly in regards to the central midfield. Obviously the players are different at Arsenal, but given the current team the evidence in this video points to a 4-3-3, with Xhaka in the Motta role, Torreira in the Verrati role, and Ramsey in the Rabiot role.

    IMO Torreira fits, but Xhaka (defensive awareness, press resistance) and Ramsey (positional discipline, technical ability) are less than ideal. Özil would also be pushed out wide, again not ideal. Lastly, aside from perhaps Mkhi Arsenal have no attackers that can take men on 1v1 like Mbappe and especially Neymar.

     
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  6. Emeryates

    Emeryates Kyle Walker at RB or we riot

    Interesting then, that we played Auba/Laca interchanging between being out wide and up front, as they can take on their man. Niles also seemed very comfortable taking on his man.

    Granted, poor level of opposition, but makes me wonder if we'll play Mkhi/Özil out wide. Yesterday seemed set up to a system where Özil could slot in the middle, with Ramsey being more disciplined than usual.
     
  7. TheArsenalis

    TheArsenalis Well-Known Member

    Yeah during emeri time at psg. Draxler when used was a central AM more often. But he wasn't used very often.

    Draxler is by nature a forward. Emeri used a mid 3 of good technical players none that are out n out attacking players. All of them you can say they are central mid players, with a little bit of different things about them.
    I think emeri likes these players. Torreira is very much his type of player, in the veratti/matuidi form with high energy good passing able release players. Playing alongside motta/rabiol the calm head linking attack and defence, i can see xhaka playing that role already.

    Whats interesting is the Özil ramsey situations. How does he plan to fit them in. Will Özil be outwide or fitted in centrally? If its centrally he would have to work hard like an actually midfielder. I think ramsey is more suitable in what emeri use to using in his midfield than Özil.
     
  8. dashsnow17

    dashsnow17 Well-Known Member

    Ramsey - Torreira - Xhaka

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  9. Song Billong

    Song Billong Well-Known Member

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  10. Fewtch

    Fewtch Ozil at 10 or We Riot

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  11. arsenalforlife14

    arsenalforlife14 Aaron Ramsey’s Biggest Fan


     
  12. Fewtch

    Fewtch Ozil at 10 or We Riot

  13. El Granit-Coq

    El Granit-Coq Well-Known Member

    433 or 4321?
     
  14. Taurus

    Taurus Well-Known Member

  15. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog Every Little Thing Is Gonna Be Alright

    If it's a formation like that then I find it hard to see Xhaka in the team. If we're playing with one holding player it'll probably be either Torreira or Xhaka, most likely Torreira as he has the greater attributes to play there. I also don't like Xhaka more advanced, so we could see Ramsey and Özil in those positions with a front three of Aubameyang-Lacazette-Mkhitaryan. That's why I'd guess if it is that formation.
     
  16. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog Every Little Thing Is Gonna Be Alright

    Emery's vision is starting to take shape imo. Maitland-Niles and Smith-Rowe are clearly seen as backup interior midfielders. Nelson and Iwobi backup wide players, while Iwobi and Mkhitaryan can both play as interior midfielders too. Hard to see a role for Elneny at this point unless we alternate between 4-3-3/4-1-2-2-1 and 4-2-3-1 in the latter formation Elneny and Guendouzi being backups for Xhaka-Torreira in that case. I think Guendouzi is also versatile enough to play as an interior midfielder perhaps.

    At this stage I don't think a diamond is an idea he has at all despite it being favoured with a lot of supporters.
     
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  17. Garrincha

    Garrincha Wilf Zaha Aficionado

    He has done well to find a formation that fits in so many of our bigger players.

    Half expect us to sign Nzonzi now as well. Seems too much pressure on Torreira to perform both from day one & week in week out.
     
  18. Pat Rice

    Pat Rice Self-Proclaimed Nice Guy

    4 1 2 2 1 is a good set up for us. Realistically I see us with the following players in the squad come next season.

    Leno
    Cech
    Martinez

    4
    Belerin
    Lichtsteiner

    Sokratis
    Chambers
    Mustafi
    Holding
    Mavropanos

    Kolasinac
    Monreal

    1
    Xhaka
    Guendouzi
    El-Neny

    2
    Ramsey
    Torreira
    Mkhi
    AMN
    ESR aka the London De Bruyne

    2
    Özil
    Auba (I know but don't flame me for putting him here as this is where he'll play)
    Iwobi
    Welbeck
    Nelson

    1
    Laca
    Nketiah

    You may have space for one more attacking player behind the striker e.g. An out and out winger. However, this is still quite a chunky squad and we would need rid of:
    Jenkinson, Akpom, Perez, Ospina and Campbell. Plus loans for Willock, Sheaf and Jordi O-T. ESR and/or Nelson and a centre half would get one in Jan (if Koscielny proves fitness).

    ... However, I'm all for hoarding central players and it looks quality at centre mid from where I'm sitting. I think the formation suits the squad well.
     
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  19. The_Playmaker

    The_Playmaker Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's taking shape at all. I think he is doing a very good job of keeping everyone guessing. He has played a 4 3 3, a 4251 and a 352 so far. However his comments about Özil give a clue to his thinking. There is only a 10 yard dfference in Auba s positioning that changes the formation. What is important is how you press and whether they can effect the game from that position. He said that he played Özil in the 10 to make him feel comfortable. He also said he can play on the right to open up the space for Bellerin.

    Just from watching our pre season you can place who would be our most influential players offensively in order.

    Özil
    Mhiki
    Auba
    Laca
    Guendozi

    To me it's pretty obvious that if you have those two strikers and you want to press in a 4 4 2 and you want your wide players to come off the wing to allow the full backs to get forward, and you want a passer to play through the lines, then the best way to play is a 4 2 2 2. I'm literally going by what he said post PSG game.

    ---------------Auba----------Laca

    Mhiki---Xhaka/Dozi-Torreira/AMN--Özil


    That set up is the best for pressing, it is the best for midfield stability, it also allows us to rotate that front four throughout a game .

    This team doesnt need Ramsey.
     
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  20. Divided_Pie

    Divided_Pie Active Member

    It seems Emery prefers 4-3-3 for defense (pressing), but is experimenting with the 4-3-2-1 to find a way to put his most important player (Özil) in the best position to influence matches.

    First half it looked like a 3-4-3 with the ball and a 4-4-2 without, with Özil defending from the front with Auba. Elneny and Guendouzi would interchange quite a bit, as would Özil and Mkhi. Second half it was more of a 4-3-3 with a single DM/DLP.

    It seemed that offensively things were well-organized in the first half with plenty of chances created (let down by mediocre finishing), but defensively the press was not as effective as Emery would like. In the second half the opposite was true, with effective pressing but a lack of organization/distinct roles.

    It will be interesting to see how Emery finds a balance, especially when Torreira is integrated. We could likely see formations switching often, depending on the competition and which players are available.
     

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