Arthur Melo

Sebastes

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Elneny has similar numbers of pass completion. That number could tell nothing. What is more important is number of key passes, assists, successful dribbling, last 3rd passes... Anything indicates a progressive attack and not only passing the ball, you can fake that stat like Elneny does.
Barce fans key criticism was that he wasn't progressive

Same with juve. He sounds very similar to el neny in his passing. Always nearest players

He's a lot better than Elneny in all of the stats you list except for assists (though far better in xA) over the last two seasons. He's close to Xhaka as well. Not as progressive in his passing but better success rate and similar or better in most progressive carries stats.

Here’s a comparison with a few other forum favorites (and a not so favorite) that shows distribution of attempted and completed passes

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yorch44

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He's a lot better than Elneny in all of the stats you list except for assists (though far better in xA) over the last two seasons. He's close to Xhaka as well. Not as progressive in his passing but better success rate and similar or better in most progressive.

Here’s a comparison with a few other forum favorites (and a not so favorite) that shows distribution of attempted and completed passes

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Look how good Xhaka looks in stats but in play, being so slow and stupid doesn't help so much to us. That's my point... Stats don't show everything and it's only a way to blind you from the whole reality. If he were so good, Barcelona would have kept him and he would play every match at Juve. And we all know how difficult it can be to adapt to PL, specially coming from slower leagues like Serie A.
 

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Look how good Xhaka looks in stats but in play, being so slow and stupid doesn't help so much to us. That's my point... Stats don't show everything and it's only a way to blind you from the whole reality. If he were so good, Barcelona would have kept him and he would play every match at Juve. And we all know how difficult it can be to adapt to PL, specially coming from slower leagues like Serie A.
Lol. Your words, not mine:
What is more important is number of key passes, assists, successful dribbling, last 3rd passes.
 

Barry

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He's a lot better than Elneny in all of the stats you list except for assists (though far better in xA) over the last two seasons. He's close to Xhaka as well. Not as progressive in his passing but better success rate and similar or better in most progressive carries stats.

Here’s a comparison with a few other forum favorites (and a not so favorite) that shows distribution of attempted and completed passes

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Shows how good he is at passing and progressive passing... No complaints there.

A comparison for the same players showing the defensive numbers (tackles, interceptions, pressures, blocks, aerials won, ground duels etc) would show my concerns though.

My fear is that he's simultaneously a bit underrated on here, but still not what we need.
 

Sebastes

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Shows how good he is at passing and progressive passing... No complaints there.

A comparison for the same players showing the defensive numbers (tackles, interceptions, pressures, blocks, aerials won, ground duels etc) would show my concerns though.

My fear is that he's simultaneously a bit underrated on here, but still not what we need.
Yeah for sure. Not trying to make him something he’s not, just discussing his passing ability.
 

TornadoTed

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I wouldn't be against an 18 month loan if that's what it takes. He will give more competition to Xhaka for 2nd/3rd choice until May and then most likely 3rd choice behind Partey and a new signing for the rest of the loan.

If it boosts our funds to strengthen other areas it could be smart business, hopefully in 18 months time when the loan finishes Lokonga, Azeez and Patino will all have progressed significantly.
 

Rasmi

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I wouldn't be against an 18 month loan if that's what it takes. He will give more competition to Xhaka for 2nd/3rd choice until May and then most likely 3rd choice behind Partey and a new signing for the rest of the loan.

If it boosts our funds to strengthen other areas it could be smart business, hopefully in 18 months time when the loan finishes Lokonga, Azeez and Patino will all have progressed significantly.
So how is lokonga, azeez and Patino gonna progress significantly with xhaka, Partey, Arthur and new midfield signing. They not gonna play at all
 

TornadoTed

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So how is lokonga, azeez and Patino gonna progress significantly with xhaka, Partey, Arthur and new midfield signing. They not gonna play at all
Azeez and Patino out on loan As they are nowhere near ready yet. Lokonga will get plenty of minutes as 4th choice assuming we are back in Europe next season.
 

Yousif Arsenal

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Again i just feel we waste time with someone juve don't want to part ways with unless we offer them 18 loans and we aren't going to do that. Just waste of time window.
 

upthegun

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I can see us signing Arthur, I think this is one that will go through. Unfortunately it’s not the Bruno G that we all want, but a loan deal would be better than nothing. The sad reality is that anything is better than currently.
 

Xorspy

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I can see us signing Arthur, I think this is one that will go through. Unfortunately it’s not the Bruno G that we all want, but a loan deal would be better than nothing. The sad reality is that anything is better than currently.
Don't be so despondent. Arthur has a lot of potential and will be a good signing if acquired. Better than Xhaka and Elneny.
 

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