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Ashley Cole (Out)

Discussion in 'Transfer Rumours' started by beaney, Apr 15, 2004.

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  1. NIPOLOPO

    NIPOLOPO New Member

    Only 20m? and Chelsea willing to pay 15m! they can go get stuffed.

    BTW, If I remeber correctly one of brums player didn’t show up for training on time, and they crucified him, can’t we do the same? :roll:
     
  2. shaz

    shaz New Member

    lol at paying no more than 15millions. what a bunch of horse sodomist's!
     
  3. Grampus_Eight

    Grampus_Eight New Member Trusted


    Sorry chap but as good as Obi-Mikel is, he will not walk into Chelsea's starting XI. He has almost no chance to displace Ballack, Lampard, Essien or Makelele in the center. I did point out out that he won the silver ball at the world youth cup. I thought his talents were sufficiently known. By the way, Taye Taiwo finished the third best player in the youth world cup (behind Messi and the aforementioned Obi-Mike), but he is deemed by many here as sub-Arsenal standard).

    There's no doubt about how highly Mikel is judged though. He's simply considered one of the outstanding central midfield prospects in the world. However, he did NOT own the ANC. In fact, Zokora and Yaya Toure gave him a footballing lesson when the Elephants advanced.

    Anyway, my point is that his price was 4M quid with 12M quid going to United as hush money. Cole's starting price is 16M (the price Madrid would have payed). But that is his base price. When we are selling to our nearest rival and they routinely pay 5-10M quid surcharge for every major purchase and there's still some hush money to be paid out...then were talking 25M for Cashley.
     
  4. tactica442

    tactica442 Member Trusted

    Ashley is worth of 30m at least. When ManU signed Ferdinand, they paid 25m and another 5m depending on suscess. I think they have paid at least 27m-28m to Leeds as they've won one league title (02-03) and one Fa cup (03-04). Ashley's current status is no less than Rio's status after WC02. A minimum 25M is the right price for Ash's service.
     
  5. flaunt

    flaunt New Member Trusted

    Yeah, but Manchester United overpay for everything anyway. They'd buy a Tic Tac for 5 bucks and proclaim it the best Tic Tac in the world.
     
  6. Buhry

    Buhry New Member

     
  7. Ziontrain

    Ziontrain New Member

    Not really - the SYSTEM took year to develop. You might have noticed that Flamini was able to replicate those runs and make the space. Difference was that Flamini actually picked his spots better so he wasn't caught out - and he busted his gut to get back afterwards instead of reserving his speed for attacking.

    16 or 19 he has not even appeared in a 2nd tier league, let alone dominated one. All he has dominated is yout cups and a 3rd tier league. I could draw you up a 20-30 man list of players who were superstars at youth level and nonetities today. In the African cup Obi played and he was good to a certain point - but you could see that when he was among men he was far from dominant.

    So he remains at this time unproven - as Cesc was before he did the business in the first team. You gotta show it on the field first. Real Madrid presidential canididates were not mentioning Cesc's name until he did the business at top level. That is when you have proof.

    Ashley Cole is on England's team sheet without question. So we shouldn't be getting same price for him as a player who has.

    Taiye Taiwo is a phenom going forward but has some lot to learn defensively. Still he is undoubtedly a Arsenal quality player. The guy is a phenom. 6'3" left backs with Roberto Carlos speed, endurance and shot do not grow on trees. Those kind of guys create mismatches and win you games.

    If Chelsea had any gumption about how to improve their team, they'd take half of what they want to pay for Cole and buy Taiwo instead. He will be better player within a year.

    The real reason the oil-theifs want Cole must be to weaken us - not to strengthen their team. But they will soon find out that the Arsnenal system has been more charitable to him than they realise.
     
  8. YeahBee

    YeahBee Terrible hot takes

    LoL sorry didn't know that. My initials are JB to hence my usernamne YeahBee
     
  9. asajoseph

    asajoseph New Member Elite

    The money that was paid for Mikel, in my mind, was as much 'hush-money' for Utd as it was compensation for Lyn for transferring their player - on the open market, coming from a small club, Mikel would have cost nowhere near as much as that, had there not been the complications in the deal that there were.

    Chelsea wanted an end to the saga, especially as it all kicked off a time when their name was already being dragged through the mud. They paid the price.

    Mikel is not the benchmark for the Cole deal by any means - closer to the mark is perhaps the Michael Essien deal of last summer. A top player who wants to leave their club, but a smart (hopefully) chairman who will make sure that we get the highest possible fee. If we can get any more than the 16 million that was first touted, I'll be delighted.
     
  10. Buhry

    Buhry New Member

    Lyn had an agreement with the mancs before the chavs got involved, and the fee was believed to be around 7 million pounds. thats what the Norwegian press believed anyway.
     
  11. asajoseph

    asajoseph New Member Elite

    Is that so? I was under the impression that the sum was closer to 3 or 4...
     
  12. Artillero

    Artillero New Member

    Fat Frank has a dig at ****ly?

     
  13. go49oner

    go49oner New Member

    why oh why did wenger play this little c*nt in CL final , when he didnt deserve it. :x hope jens or toure breaks his f*ucking left ankle b4 we sell him. :evil: :evil:
     
  14. godfather

    godfather New Member

    We are not in rush to sell him especially to Chelsea.
    If we can't get 25+m from chelsea, why not put him into reserves for 2 years then let him go for free, and we Arsenal lost nothing.
     
  15. Beany

    Beany ITK Elite

    Apart from 70k per week, of course...
     
  16. cesc18

    cesc18 New Member

    as much as i would love to do that if we dont get 25m+ for cole :lol:
    dont think the club would waste 7m just for him to train with the reserves
    not the greatest thing for the spirit at the club to keep a player who wants out
    wenger would never do that
     
  17. Buhry

    Buhry New Member

    Lyn said it was the biggest ever deal made in norwegian football(they did not announce the fee though), even bigger than the sale of John Carew to Valencia. Carew was sold for about 70 million norwegian kroners, wich is about 6 million pounds.
     
  18. Ziontrain

    Ziontrain New Member

    The fee for original Lyn-to-Chelsea Obi deal that I saw reported in Norwegian press was 3-4mm pounds, same as someone above said. That was pretty consistent and their press is VERY good at getting inside info because its a small country and everyone knows everyone more or less.

    Apparently that deal broke down because Chelsea wanted most of that money to be "washed" through Lyn to agents pockets, since said agents were middlemen believed to "own" Obi as front mem for top men in the Nigerian FA.

    Of course Lyn told Chelsea to pay its agents itself - its not like they couldn't afford to!

    And thus the stupid Chelsea c#nts began a dumb war that exposed their dirty business and ended up cost them £12MM additional ie a total cost of 4x more than the fee Lyn was originally quite happy to accept!

    My God the Chavskis are dumb. If they will happily pay £5m for the likes of Wayne Bridge and Glen Johnson, why haggle small peanuts over a player you claim you think is actually great? Pay the agents/frontmen however you want - give them a freakin sweatheart oil contract or whatever if you are worried about exposing cash or to agents whatever. Dumb f#cks.
     
  19. longrufus

    longrufus New Member Elite

    Lyn only got 4million out of the deal. United got 12million. Both payments are split 50:50, half was payed when he signed, the other half wont be paid until next summer.
     
  20. Grampus_Eight

    Grampus_Eight New Member Trusted

    Money is always an issue.  However good Ashley Cole is, at the end of the day he would be able to finance a lot of needed improvements to the squad.  If we were to receive £25M and actually spend it on transfers we could have bought in any number of players.  With that sum, the club could have purchased:
    CB - Vincent Kompany, £5M
    DM - Didier Zokora or Alou Diarra £4-7M
    CM - Stephen Appiah or Yaya Toure, £6-7M
    LB - Taye Taiwo £6-7

    Imagine how strong our team would be this season had be bought Kompany (£5M), Taiwo (£6M), Zokora (£7M) and Appiah (£6M).  Those players would have cost around  £24M total in transfer fees.  If you don't like Appiah slide in Toure instead.  If you think that's too many players with ANC commitments, then switch Alou Diarra for Zokora and save some money too.  These players would cost us some wages, but none of them would have been big earners compared to the departed Pires, Bergkamp, Cole and Campbell.  

    By the way, even though he isn't my favourite player, if Alou Diarra is available for £4M, and Song cost £2.7M, why hasn't a wire transfer been made into Lens' bank account already?   With Muamba and Larsson off on loan Song could play every week for the reserves and try to figure out how to pass the ball.
     
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