Benjamin Šeško or Victor Gyokeres

[sakalacaxhaka]

Gunnerblog said we have done "groundwork". As soon as I hear that word is reminds me of Rice. Leipzig aren't talking either.

So it's Arsenal:

Champions league, 5 year contract with a reputation for increasing salary based on performance. Stability in terms of the coach and style of play. Saliba, Rice, Ødegaard, Saka providing you. Havertz playing the 9 role, but someone who is also playing a LCM. Not ture profile that mirrors what he can do.

Or Chelsea:

8 year contract on a similar wage. Europa conference league football, coming off a poor season. A new manager, unstable team. Who is creating for you? Palmer, Mudryk, Enzo and Caicedo?

If we are both in for him and gets to the point where Arteta and Marseca have phone calls. His career would either be in the hands of Arteta, who has shown that he can develop players and progress a club to compete with City. Or he goes with Maresca who says, I worked with Pep and I got Leicester promoted. This is what I project at a club that has a reputation for sacking managers.

I would be shocked if he picked Chelsea if we both put offers on the table.

It goes without saying any sane footballer would choose Arsenal over Chelsea right now, you do get some strange decisions like Mudryk etc.. who clearly have finances in their minds, and 8 year contracts would understandably be enticing

The facts he's turned down Saudi suggests he's not only interested in the cash, and given the amount of casualties from chelsea in recent years, you'd hope he'd have some sensible people around him to advise what the best choice for his career is more likely to be

 

[SA Gunner]

There is still a good chance Sesko goes to Chelsea, lets be real people.

From a football perspective it may be better to join Arsenal, but money still does talk and talks loudly. Lets hope Edu and Arteta can get this one over the line.

 

[Dokaka]

There is still a good chance Sesko goes to Chelsea, lets be real people.

From a football perspective it may be better to join Arsenal, but money still does talk and talks loudly. Lets hope Edu and Arteta can get this one over the line.

If he picks Chelsea over Arsenal currently he probably wouldn't have gelled with Arteta anyway tbf.

 

[Rex Caudillo]

If he picks Chelsea over Arsenal currently he probably wouldn't have gelled with Arteta anyway tbf.

So safe to say he’d be a flop?

 

[Arsenio Venger]

The fact the agent throws info to Romano is disturbing. It looks like someone whos trying to get a better wage , sigh in fee or whatever, instead of thinking about his client future and where he will grow , learn, play better football etc. Anyway this is all speculations at this point. If he has offers from both us ,chelsea and utd and he chooses the latter, then we dodged a bullet.

Tf, what do you think this is? Is Arteta not getting a raise and extension? Are players not supposed to be looking out for themselves? Last I checked, Declan Rice had offers from other teams too and considered them. Nothing wrong with that. Don't try to change this club into some kind of cult.

 

[The_Playmaker]

So safe to say he’d be a flop?

Well if you give him the chances Jackson misses....they would be rubbing it in our faces.

 

[Rex Caudillo]

Well if you give him the chances Jackson misses....they would be rubbing it in our faces.

If you look at the stats Jackson is a far superior finisher all things considered.

 

[Dokaka]

If you look at the stats Jackson is a far superior finisher all things considered.

Literally just talking ****

 

[Iwobeast]

If he picks Chelsea over Arsenal currently he probably wouldn't have gelled with Arteta anyway tbf.

It seems like he planned his career carefully by going through the Red Bull system, it wouldn't make any sense for him to suddenly go to a highly unstable club like Chelsea. Their manager could be sacked before Christmas again

 

[Gooner Zig]

Gunnerblog said we have done "groundwork". As soon as I hear that word is reminds me of Rice. Leipzig aren't talking either.

So it's Arsenal:

Champions league, 5 year contract with a reputation for increasing salary based on performance. Stability in terms of the coach and style of play. Saliba, Rice, Ødegaard, Saka providing you. Havertz playing the 9 role, but someone who is also playing a LCM. Not ture profile that mirrors what he can do.

Or Chelsea:

8 year contract on a similar wage. Europa conference league football, coming off a poor season. A new manager, unstable team. Who is creating for you? Palmer, Mudryk, Enzo and Caicedo?

If we are both in for him and gets to the point where Arteta and Marseca have phone calls. His career would either be in the hands of Arteta, who has shown that he can develop players and progress a club to compete with City. Or he goes with Maresca who says, I worked with Pep and I got Leicester promoted. This is what I project at a club that has a reputation for sacking managers.

I would be shocked if he picked Chelsea if we both put offers on the table.

You have forgotten another variable: agent fees.

Chelsea are likely to pay Šeško's agent whatever he wants whereas we won't.

 

[Dokaka]

It seems like he planned his career carefully by going through the Red Bull system, it wouldn't make any sense for him to suddenly go to a highly unstable club like Chelsea. Their manager could be sacked before Christmas again

I mean that'd depend, if the end goal of that process was make a ton of money then Chelsea could be the desired destination.

I doubt he'd do that but he wouldn't be the first.

 

[Gooner Zig]

I also work in finance bro… and I used to think exactly the same as you do, but there were quite a few reports around the time of the Enzo transfer that made me question my assumptions.

So I asked a guy in our accounting dept to look into it as a favour and he asked PwC who gave him a long waffle explanation about how under international accounting standards you can only amortise deals where a “fair price” has been negotiated between two parties (otherwise it can be abused). In the case of a buyout clause this negotiation doesn’t really happen. It just gets triggered. The buying club don’t even talk to the selling club. (For more context: football players aren’t seen as liquid assets where fair value can be easily determined in the market hence the need for a negotiated price)

Chelsea did not have cash flow problems when they bought Enzo. They went and paid over the buyout clause anyway. They didn’t do that for ****s and giggles.

Hope this helps.

There is no IFRS standard that specifically deals with football contracts (player registrations), those are considered intangible assets under IAS 38 Intangible Assets and are valued at cost.

 

[Gooner Zig]

@senna @db10_therza - this is an excerpt from Arsenal's financial statements outlining their accounting policy on player contracts:

(k) Player costs

The costs associated with acquiring players’ registrations or extending their contracts, including agents' fees, are capitalised and amortised, in equal instalments, over the period of the respective players’ contracts. Where a contract life is renegotiated the unamortised costs, together with the newcosts relating to the contract extension, are amortised over the term of the new contract. Where the acquisition of a player registration involves a non-cash consideration, such as an exchange for another player registration, the transaction is accounted for using an estimate of the market value for the noncash consideration. Under the conditions of certain transfer agreements or contract renegotiations, further fees will be payable in the event of the players concerned making a certain number of First Team appearances or onthe occurrence of certain other specified future events. Liabilities in respect of these additional fees are accounted for, as provisions, when it becomes probable that the number of appearances will be achieved or the specified future events will occur. The additional costs are capitalised and amortised as set outabove. Profits or losses on the sale of players represent the transfer fee receivable, net of any transaction costs, less the unamortised cost of the applicable player’s registration. Remuneration of players is charged in accordance with the terms of the applicable contractual arrangements and any discretionary bonuses when there is a legal or constructive obligation.

Transfer + agent fees + other costs are capitalized to the b/s and amortized over the length of the contract; whether you pay RC in one hit or not doesn't make a difference.

 

[Rex Caudillo]

Literally just talking ****

Oh these aren’t the basic stats from FBref these are subscription only in depth numbers.

Packing and situational dependent finishing, leverage indexes etc.

 

[db10_therza]

There is no IFRS standard that specifically deals with football contracts (player registrations), those are considered intangible assets under IAS 38 Intangible Assets and are valued at cost.

Yes, but you still need to determine fair value no? I defer to your expertise here of course but this is just what another accountant explained to me after looking into it. And (according to him) it specifically applies to buyout clauses as opposed to release clauses, in the former the buying club have no contact with the selling club so in his view you hadn’t established a fair value you could amortise.

Anyway I’ve just realised I don’t care enough to continue this conversation

Arsenal should be fine either way we have plenty of room

 

[neimad]

Gunnerblog said we have done "groundwork". As soon as I hear that word is reminds me of Rice. Leipzig aren't talking either.

So it's Arsenal:

Champions league, 5 year contract with a reputation for increasing salary based on performance. Stability in terms of the coach and style of play. Saliba, Rice, Ødegaard, Saka providing you. Havertz playing the 9 role, but someone who is also playing a LCM. Not ture profile that mirrors what he can do.

Or Chelsea:

8 year contract on a similar wage. Europa conference league football, coming off a poor season. A new manager, unstable team. Who is creating for you? Palmer, Mudryk, Enzo and Caicedo?

If we are both in for him and gets to the point where Arteta and Marseca have phone calls. His career would either be in the hands of Arteta, who has shown that he can develop players and progress a club to compete with City. Or he goes with Maresca who says, I worked with Pep and I got Leicester promoted. This is what I project at a club that has a reputation for sacking managers.

I would be shocked if he picked Chelsea if we both put offers on the table.

Last I heard they brought in a 5 year limit on contracts. To stop Chelsea and the likes taking the piss with their 8 year contracts.

Uefa changes rules on long-term contracts with transfer fee spread across a maximum of five years

I'm on this hype train now. Such a first touch for a big guy and is no slouch. At 21 he's worth the release clause. Would love Isak but he'd cost nearly double this. Rather we get this done and spread the funds elsewhere ( CM, LB and Miscellaneous positions ie. what the market offers)

 

[Goonger]

Last I heard they brought in a 5 year limit on contracts. To stop Chelsea and the likes taking the piss with their 8 year contracts.

Uefa changes rules on long-term contracts with transfer fee spread across a maximum of five years

I'm on this hype train now. Such a first touch for a big guy and is no slouch. At 21 he's worth the release clause. Would love Isak but he'd cost nearly double this. Rather we get this done and spread the funds elsewhere ( CM, LB and Miscellaneous positions ie. what the market offers)

No, they can still offer longer contracts, it's just they can't spread the cost of the fee over longer than 5 years now.

 

[Blankety Blank]

Right profile but he’s just turned 21? This guy won’t hit his peak for another 8-10 years, nowhere near ripe enough. Osimhen is a player at a better development stage for us.

FCUK When's Haaland hitting his peak?

Massive wages & transfer fee is the downside to Osi.

Why do you think a lot of clubs are looking at younger talents?

Kai has done very well at CF & is now adapted to our style of play so we are probably correctly looking at someone to compete rather than replace.

We still need other areas strengthening.

 

[2Smokeyy]

Right profile but he’s just turned 21? This guy won’t hit his peak for another 8-10 years, nowhere near ripe enough. Osimhen is a player at a better development stage for us.

This. I get that everyone wants the next big thing but this summer I’m not too fussed about that. What I want is a major trophy next season which means we need players who can come in and hit the ground running.

Like Carragher was saying at the stage we’re currently at, we should be buying players for our first XI and make them battle it out with those starting (excluding the spine of course).

 

[Thrice]

This. I get that everyone wants the next big thing but this summer I’m not too fussed about that. What I want is a major trophy next season which means we need players who can come in and hit the ground running.

Like Carragher was saying at the stage we’re currently at, we should be buying players for our first XI and make them battle it out with those starting (excluding the spine of course).

Sure, we want that trophy next year. But we should also be thinking long term. If you can add a striker to our young core then we'll be pretty much set for years.