Benjamin Šeško

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This thread won‘t die will it?

I would rather continue with just Havertz (Astaghfirullah) than sign this bum for 70m.

I'm not sure if we are still in talks or just patiently waiting for July or whatever.

We have nothing else though.

 

[Uptown_Gooner]

You must be the kind of guy that thought Wirtz would only ever move to the Real Madrids of this world and then spat your coffee out when he turned up for work in Merseyside.

It did surprise me, but Liverpool is also at another level than Arsenal, so not that big of a surprise. Really thought he would have been off to Bayern with all the shady dealings they tend to have in the league.

You know, it is like playing FIFA, Arsenal are usually rated 5 stars, but are they really the same as Barca, Madrid, Pool, City, etc..? No, which is why you always get p!ssed off when those are the only teams you ever have to play against. It is this weird middle ground where Arsenal are clearly very far ahead of people taking the p1ss about trophies when their teams are Crystal Palace or Sp*rs, but they aren't in that next level of teams either. It is a horrible place of existence.

 

[Uptown_Gooner]

Would rather get fleeced for Rogers who is PL proven, CL proven, offers things we lack, and can play multiple positions.

You are wrong, Arsenal fans need to stop thinking we cannot get play x and player y, it gives the club an easy out. We should be in the conversation for the better tier of players now. Leao and Rogers aren't even in the top tier of players ffs.

Rice picked us over City
Calafiori picked us over Chelsea and Madrid
Timber picked us over Utd

Stop making us sound like Tottenham.

So those players chose Arsenal because they would play regularly, you get those every now and then. Calafiori isn't a great example, we will see if he can ever stay fit. I doubt United were ever that serious about Timber, but United are right next to us right now in terms of draw, and that is only because of what a dumpster fire they are right now. If they had champions league they would have more pull than us again.

 

[Heavy Duty Rom]

So those players chose Arsenal because they would play regularly, you get those every now and then. Calafiori isn't a great example, we will see if he can ever stay fit. I doubt United were ever that serious about Timber, but United are right next to us right now in terms of draw, and that is only because of what a dumpster fire they are right now. If they had champions league they would have more pull than us again.

Timber and Calafiori joined the best defence in the league, so your point about playing regularly isn't really true.

You don't think the club could attract Leao and Rogers if they really wanted to put up the money? Even Osimhen?

 

[Uptown_Gooner]

Timber and Calafiori joined the best defence in the league, so your point about playing regularly isn't really true.

You don't think the club could attract Leao and Rogers if they really wanted to put up the money? Even Osimhen?

Well Timber is playing regularly and probably will continue to play regularly given his recent form, his injury slowed him down. He was also lower tier, so fits are profile pretty well of finding value in the market.

Rogers I don't think we would technically have any issue attracting. I don't think he is worth paying what we would have to pay to get him, I feel like I have been pretty crystal clear on that. Go find a Rogers in the Netherlands or something like that and we are talking more Arsenal's style the fact they didn't make a move for Xavi when he got sold for 50mil is a bit offensive. The Arsenal leadership group seems to agree with me on that. As for Leao, maybe we could turn his head with some crazy money, that is always a possibility. But it isn't really how we act, and he comes with his own baggage too and lacks discipline which we have seen is very important for this team.

I will admit, Osimhen baffles me, but his public bust up with Napoli really turned a lot of suitors off, not to mention his insane wages. Again, he fits a team like City, PSG, Madrid, or the very poorly run Manure more. He would be the ideal signing in that position given he is available. However, given the fact that no one aside from Galatasry is really in for him right now says a lot. I am not privvy to those conversations, but the issues must be significant, because he is the kind of player you think about breaking your wage structure for.

I agree with everyone on here though, if the wages and fees aren't right on either Gyok or Sesko, you don't do either. And as many have said, no matter who we sign, a good chance that Havertz is starting at the beginning of the season either way.

 

[db10_therza]

Well Timber is playing regularly and probably will continue to play regularly given his recent form, his injury slowed him down. He was also lower tier, so fits are profile pretty well of finding value in the market.

Rogers I don't think we would technically have any issue attracting. I don't think he is worth paying what we would have to pay to get him, I feel like I have been pretty crystal clear on that. Go find a Rogers in the Netherlands or something like that and we are talking more Arsenal's style the fact they didn't make a move for Xavi when he got sold for 50mil is a bit offensive. The Arsenal leadership group seems to agree with me on that. As for Leao, maybe we could turn his head with some crazy money, that is always a possibility. But it isn't really how we act, and he comes with his own baggage too and lacks discipline which we have seen is very important for this team.

I will admit, Osimhen baffles me, but his public bust up with Napoli really turned a lot of suitors off, not to mention his insane wages. Again, he fits a team like City, PSG, Madrid, or the very poorly run Manure more. He would be the ideal signing in that position given he is available. However, given the fact that no one aside from Galatasry is really in for him right now says a lot. I am not privvy to those conversations, but the issues must be significant, because he is the kind of player you think about breaking your wage structure for.

I agree with everyone on here though, if the wages and fees aren't right on either Gyok or Šeško, you don't do either. And as many have said, no matter who we sign, a good chance that Havertz is starting at the beginning of the season either way.

You have a really strange view of our club.

Go look at the biggest clubs by revenue, then come back and tell me which clubs we should or shouldn’t be competing with.

 

[Uptown_Gooner]

You have a really strange view of our club.

Go look at the biggest clubs by revenue, then come back and tell me which clubs we should or shouldn’t be competing with.

Ya, the revenue is crazy for the way we spend, but it is what it is. And we don't. I think changing our approach to players like Osimehn would be good, market value is there, his wages he probably is already accepting will have to be lower than what he wants to continue in Europe. We certainly have a deep issue with not liking big egos/prima donnas which is something I think they need to get over in general.

I think my view is realistic and not idealistic, and I am not sure that is strange.

 

[db10_therza]

Ya, the revenue is crazy for the way we spend, but it is what it is. And we don't. I think changing our approach to players like Osimehn would be good, market value is there, his wages he probably is already accepting will have to be lower than what he wants to continue in Europe. We certainly have a deep issue with not liking big egos/prima donnas which is something I think they need to get over in general.

I think my view is realistic and not idealistic, and I am not sure that is strange.

No that’s fine I misunderstood earlier and thought you were excusing our spending. As you say, for a club of our revenues it doesn’t really make sense.

 

[Uptown_Gooner]

No that’s fine I misunderstood earlier and thought you were excusing our spending. As you say, for a club of our revenues it doesn’t really make sense.

Ya, it is more of a sad acceptance more than anything. But I am just no longer willing to believe we are going to start behaving differently until the Kroenkes are gone. Even then though, the culture just might be this way for a really long time, or the next owners could want to operate it the same way as it is a very safe business.

 

[El Duderino]

 

[Let's play Aubamawang]

This is where you are going wrong. They don't have fixed positions. Leao would mostly be LW, but could also play CF. Rogers could play LW, False 9, LCM, RCM depending on the game.

If you don't think we can get Leao, who has been somewhat out of favour, out of a Milan side without Europe, then we are in big trouble.

Yes, but you keep saying could. If they could play those roles, they would be doing it more frequently. Leao played 1 match at CF this past season, and that was for Portugal. That suggests to me that he's better at using his large frame against smaller fullbacks and isn't as effective against players of a similar stature. Otherwise, he'd get used in that position more.

And as I mentioned with Rogers, he played CF, presumably false 9, for two matches and didn't do a lot.

They are good players, but there's no evidence to suggest that role suits either of them. Enough of square pegs in round holes.

 

[Sebastes]

People are against him moving to bigger league to prove himself. Football is supposed to be you do well in one level, you go a level up. What he has produced last 2 years is fantastic. People really think it’s easy scoring 60 goals in all competitions one season. There’s reason you don’t see these numbers because it takes certain mentality to keep looking for goals even when the game is won. This is the biggest difference between Šeško and Gyokeres. Hunger for goals

Yeah I’ve mentioned it a couple of times but even Isak is on record as being amazed by Gyökeres hunger for goals even in training sessions with Sweden. And this is someone who has scoring goals as his trade saying that.

Then there is a question of quality ofc. I’ve always been a bit suspect about Gyökeres when seeing him for Sweden. He’s looked clunky imo. But I don’t think Sesko looks particularly better even in highlight comps and there’s just no denying his goalscoring records across all comps, including NT and CL

 

[blrgooner]

Because both have the ability to beat men and make things happen. We are fine getting the ball to the final third, and then lack quality and drive.

Leao has faults but he can take players on in a way nobody else in our team can.

Likewise with Rogers, he'd also add legs, which we won't have when Rice pulls his hamstring.

Imagine the flexibility we'd have with two signings like this, rather than a Šeško who can't even play with Kai because they occupy similar areas.

Pretty much agree except for the last line. I think we do need someone to be a backup for Kai. I don`t think Kai is specifically an issue in our team though. Considering this, If we add in a player who could in thoery become world class in the future while already offering some good aspects ( though very raw) I wouldn`t mind that at all. I would prefer that we sign either someone whom we see as huge potential(Sesko) for future or someone who is going to be predictable in terms of outcome (Watkins). But I don`t think any of these players transform us or take us to the next level.
I do agree that this transformational first team player needs to be signed in LW position though. We definitely can sign the likes of Leao/Williams/Rodrygo etc. I also find it interesting that we are linked with players like Kudus, Rogers, Eze etc who I think will offer us a lot from legs/dribbling/unpredictability POV( but still won`t be transformational from first team perspective).

I guess I pretty much agree with you on everything except that I feel if we really want to operate the way a big club operates, a part of that is signing players who could be big in the future though they may not be ready now for big money sometimes. We are too conditioned by the idea that we should only spend money on players who are ready now.

 

[Jasard]

Just saying the same thing for weeks...

 

[Rex Stone]

This is like the X Factor ffs.

Berta Cowell making them audition

 

[Grandolph]

IF its true we are flirting with both players, it will look so stupid if we end up losing out on both.
Still think/hope sesko is the plan, and Gyökeres just some noise to put pressure on Leipzig.

 

[field442]

This is like the X Factor ffs.

Berta Cowell making them audition

 

[Dennis_Bergkamp_10]

We are working on Sesko since last year ffs. I thought our relationship with Leipzig was good?

 

[Tir Na Nog]

Basically whoever is the cheapest is the one we'll sign, not the one who'll improve us more.

 

[Iwobeast]

We are working on Šeško since last year ffs. I thought our relationship with Leipzig was good?

I think we’re in talks with Leipzig and I expect a bid this week, just a feeling