Benjamin Šeško

[Heavy Duty Rom]

I said a bit..

Ofc I am not that ignorant to compare him with Ibrahimovic.

You just did. They are nothing alike.

 

[Heavy Duty Rom]

Same can be said about Wirtz. Why nobody seriously pursuing him except Liverpool.

They did? Both City and Bayern wanted him?

 

[field442]

I dont know what is Berta doing ? They just wait for what ?

My speculation would be they approached Sesko's camp, sounded out Leipzig and didn't like the numbers being mentioned. Then they approached the agent of Gyökeres and got told about the "gentleman's agreement" which was then laughed at when they sounded out Sporting, leading the agent to leak the stuff he did and say the player wants Arsenal. Now we are where we are, nowhere.

 

[Rex Caudillo]

Same can be said about Wirtz. Why nobody seriously pursuing him except Liverpool.

The price is going to immediately restrict the clubs who are available to buy him.

You’re talking maybe 3 or 4 clubs at most and only really Liverpool of those who had both a direct need and the quality of squad to land him.

 

[HattoriHanzo]

My speculation would be they approached Šeško's camp, sounded out Leipzig and didn't like the numbers being mentioned. Then they approached the agent of Gyökeres and got told about the "gentleman's agreement" which was then laughed at when they sounded out Sporting, leading the agent to leak the stuff he did and say the player wants Arsenal. Now we are where we are, nowhere.

 

[Sanchez11]

What a sh1tshow at this point. Watkins it is.

 

[Barry]

Are you drunk? Think about what you just said.

There would have been someone on Napster or Ceefax or something, looking at Ibrahimovic's numbers when he was 22 and saying "yeah but why is he only scoring 13 goals in the Dutch league? Must be crap." He would have been inconsistent, more bad games than good ones. Scored some bangers etc.

Point is not that Sesko will reach that level - he almost certainly won't. But equally you can't look back at one of the games greats and use that as a stick to beat this signing with when he was doing less at the same age.

 

[HattoriHanzo]

My speculation would be they approached Šeško's camp, sounded out Leipzig and didn't like the numbers being mentioned. Then they approached the agent of Gyökeres and got told about the "gentleman's agreement" which was then laughed at when they sounded out Sporting, leading the agent to leak the stuff he did and say the player wants Arsenal. Now we are where we are, nowhere.

Well, serious club would now try to negotiate.
Or if these numbers are similar to Osimhen's, why not go for him?

Don't they understand that you need to have top quality players to compete for the title in Prem and in UCL?
Top quality players are expensive and demand high salaries.
This seasons has shown us that Arteta and this squad have reached its ceiling.
We need better players in attack for more, it is obvious.
Or we continue as we did last 10-15 years, compete only for UCL football.

 

[Rex Caudillo]

My speculation would be they approached Šeško's camp, sounded out Leipzig and didn't like the numbers being mentioned. Then they approached the agent of Gyökeres and got told about the "gentleman's agreement" which was then laughed at when they sounded out Sporting, leading the agent to leak the stuff he did and say the player wants Arsenal. Now we are where we are, nowhere.

We’re in a holding pattern now then unfortunately.

If the Šeško numbers are a dealbreaker for us then we’re waiting probably until at least August for Gyokeres to escalate and force a move out. I’d be wary of a Chelsea just swooping in and paying whatever Sporting want in the meantime.

Same for Rodrygo who’s clearly a target and we now have to wait until the CWC is done and that’s late July.

 

[ArsenalInMyHeart]

We’re in a holding pattern now then unfortunately.

If the Šeško numbers are a dealbreaker for us then we’re waiting probably until at least August for Gyokeres to escalate and force a move out. I’d be wary of a Chelsea just swooping in and paying whatever Sporting want in the meantime.

Same for Rodrygo who’s clearly a target and we now have to wait until the CWC is done and that’s late July as well.

Its better if new starters have time to train with the rest of the squad. If we wait until the end of the transfer's window its not good.

 

[Heavy Duty Rom]

There would have been someone on Napster or Ceefax or something, looking at Ibrahimovic's numbers when he was 22 and saying "yeah but why is he only scoring 13 goals in the Dutch league? Must be crap." He would have been inconsistent, more bad games than good ones. Scored some bangers etc.

Point is not that Šeško will reach that level - he almost certainly won't. But equally you can't look back at one of the games greats and use that as a stick to beat this signing with when he was doing less at the same age.

You’ve taken this in a completely different direction.

I was only saying that Sesko and Ibra is a lazy comparison because they are both tall and athletic. Really, they are nothing alike.

 

[Kuroske]

They did? Both City and Bayern wanted him?

Chelsea and Man U also wanted him

 

[Sanchez11]

So Super Fab got it wrong no?

 

[Rex Caudillo]

Its better if new starters have time to train with the rest of the squad. If we wait until the end of the transfer's window its not good.

I’m not saying we should just saying what’s clearly happening

 

[Barry]

You’ve taken this in a completely different direction.

I was only saying that Šeško and Ibra is a lazy comparison because they are both tall and athletic. Really, they are nothing alike.

Cool, yeah that's fair and I think my comments come from a place of unrealistic optimism anyway tbh... Sesko looks unreal in the highlights - some insane technical feats - but he's mostly a bit anonymous when you watch him.

I think you've been saying that we don't need the gamble at the moment and I'm probably in the same place. It's hard to workout what the guaranteed striker signing is for us though (apart from Isak or possibly Alvarez, neither of whom seem available).

Given that, I think a gamble on Sesko's upside isn't a terrible call. Although he's very raw now, that can change quickly (or not...)

 

[El Duderino]

I dont know what is Berta doing ? They just wait for what ?

Aren't bild a meh source? Or is that bild sport?

Seems in line with what was reported earlier, though.

Feels like both his and Gyoks agents are desperate to move their clients and we're willing to let them stew, while waiting to lock in some renewals and other deals like Saliba, MLS, et al. as @field442 mentioned on a diff thread.

 

[outlawz]

Playmaker trying to argue that missing loads of big chances is a good thing was a new learning experience for me today.

these guys clearly understand football to a level us normal guys just can’t comprehend.

Jokes aside I do think people are jumping on to this ‘plays deep’ thing. Whenever I’ve watched him (admittedly not a lot) I haven’t really seen him play noticeably deeper but even if he was, the main issues I saw were the inability to create separation and his terrible 1v1 finishing.

I know you're joking - but the best strikers have historically missed the most chances. C. Ronaldo is a perfect example of that - so was Henry and Ronaldo. Their strength is the volume of shots they can generate in a game. They then score a lot and equally miss a lot.

I was watching the 2002 WC final the other day. Ronaldo missed 4 huge chances before he actually scored.

 

[ArsenesCoatMaker]

I dont know what is Berta doing ? They just wait for what ?

July 1st

Also I think we want both players to do what Tross did and force the move

 

[Bloodbather]

Yeah they do, you won’t find an elite goalscorer who doesn’t.

I should probably specify that by generating I didn’t necessarily mean beating defenders off the dribble, that’s just one of the ways.

For pretty much any CF you’re looking at elite movement/presence in the box while having very clean fundamentals that allow them to sort their feet out quickly and get cleanly struck shots off. Watch a Kane/Lewa goal comp and it’s full of boring goals finishes where they’re sorting their feet out really quickly and shooting first time or shooting after 1/2 very good touches that set the ball up nicely.

That’s why Šeško potentially having an inconsistent first touch and appearing stiff simply can’t work if he’s going to be elite for us.

Sesko's problem is composure, not quality. He has a lot of those intricate touch in the box to line up a shot type goals when you look at his goal compilation. He also has a rocket off both feet, so it's not like he just has a weak shot like Kai.

He just turned 22 a few weeks ago. Gyökeres was on loan at St. Pauli at that age. Ekitike was rotting on the PSG bench. Development isn't linear, but when you look at Sesko a lot of the issues are based on composure, which will improve over time.

You're looking at a 1.95m elite athlete who can launch from both feet, score headers, dribble with the ball, and isn't useless in hold-up and link-up. That is a special package. He offers a special upside that just isn't worth passing up on. Unless it's for a ridiculous amount and it costs us the ability to get Rodrygo or something, that is.

 

[ArsenesCoatMaker]

I know you're joking - but the best strikers have historically missed the most chances. C. Ronaldo is a perfect example of that - so was Henry and Ronaldo. Their strength is the volume of shots they can generate in a game. They then score a lot and equally miss a lot.

I was watching the 2002 WC final the other day. Ronaldo missed 4 huge chances before he actually scored.

RVP too, missed loads before scoring a worldy. Shearer would say 'you'll knock 2 or 3 20 yards over the bar before smashing 1 in the top corner