Bruno Guimarães

[Dokaka]

A once top player who is past his best, and won't try anymore going to The Hammers...

Grealish and Sullivan in 2030...

Good times.

We also signed a fat Mido in 2010 after a mighty 1 goal in 11 games for Zamalek SC

 

[Gn1212]

I don't know why this is even a controversial point when the most successful manager in PL history built his entire legacy on just snapping up the best PL player every season because he knew they'd do well.

Different times. Players now have a somewhat decent season and they're they hottest thing in the world.

There's a reason the examples I gave were recent. Even Sir Alex would've fell for it nowadays as we know from the Sp**s that he tried to push Mourinho and Man Utd towards buying Dele Alli.

 

[db10_therza]

Probably, but the point was he was bought to do a thing and he did that thing. He's been shaky and hans been struggling with injuries but he was class last season and was at least on par with his best Villa seasons if you actually sit down and look beyond surface level stats.

The original discussion was players struggling to perform after making moves within the same league. Grealish did not flop in the same way players like Antony, Vieira (so far) or Enzo flopped. Those guys simply weren't good enough when presented with better opposition.

Grealish has had an entire excellent season for City. That doesn't mean he was worth £100m (don't know how many times I have to say that) but it's also in no way the same as simply not being good enough when facing better opposition which is the typical way a players "flops", which rarely happens when the players is established within the same league.

I don't know why this is even a controversial point when the most successful manager in PL history built his entire legacy on just snapping up the best PL player every season because he knew they'd do well.

I didn’t know how this started tbf. If it was a question of whether there’s less risk involved in buying prem players then that’s not really even a question.

There’s less risk buying from prem. There’s also less value, less excitement, less upside and less sex appeal. It’s the footballing equivalent of the missionary position. Fully functional, gets the job done but unless you’re doing it outdoors then there’s not enough jeopardy there for me Clive.

 

[Red London]

Gallagher is so underrated on here. He’s shown top top performances in the PL.

I actually rate Gallagher but doesn’t mean he’s the solution for us beating city to the league title. He’s a great squad player for a team competing for the title, or a starter for a team competing for top4.

I wouldn’t mind him if we somehow had the budget to bring him in as an 8 after we signed a marquee CM.

What does he add to our team? As our main CM signing?

 

[Riou]

There’s also less value, less excitement, less upside and less sex appeal.

Oh yes, aka the @rich 1990 special

 

[Red London]

We are forgetting the most obvious player - Kudus.

He looks like he can play anywhere, including LCM.

I reckon he strictly won’t be for sale. West Ham have a new manager coming in Lopetegi who may be about to find out he’s getting £0 for one of their best players in Paqueta. I doubt they sanction the sale of another key attacking player unless it’s silly money.

 

[Dokaka]

Different times. Players now have a somewhat decent season and they're they hottest thing in the world.

Okay, but that's a strawman. I said big name players - guys coming off one decent seasons obviously don't fit that category.

Bruno G has two full seasons of great performances. He even improved in his 2nd year. That's a body of work that makes him about as safe a buy as you can be.

I also said they rarely flop, I didn't say never, but the success rate for playing moving to clubs within the same league is WAY higher than those coming from different leagues. It's not even close.

There’s less risk buying from prem. There’s also less value, less excitement, less upside and less sex appeal. It’s the footballing equivalent of the missionary position. Fully functional, gets the job done but unless you’re doing it outdoors then there’s not enough jeopardy there for me Clive.

That's definitely true for the most part, not always though. There's definitely less risk and I'd also agree that it's not as exciting. It's like instead of getting a new toy you're buying a used one, and people like new shiny things.

I think the value proposition has gotten weird; is there inherently more value in buying Neves from Portugal for £80m than Gallagher for £50m as an example? One has the potential to completely flop, hard to see that happening with Gallagher and even if he does, a mid-table club will take him off your hand.

I'd genuinely struggle to come up with a list of undeniable flops for players with the type of resumes Bruno G has in the Prem, but I could easily make a list of top players from other leagues coming here and not performing to the level that was expected.

If you have two undeniable top class season in this league, you're a top quality player. Easy as that for me tbh. Obviously things can happen that changes things - like Dele Alli breaking down mentally - but it's rare.

 

[El Duderino]

You guys can take this to the general transfer thread, locking this for now, hasn't been about the player for the past pages.

Once Bruno is set up with the Brazilian FA for the Copa América, we should see a bit more movement.