Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by oh to be a goon, Jun 6, 2020.
Some people really just don't have an eye for talent.
Agree with everything other than the last line. Kid was obviously quality from the jump and my best m8 (used to be on here) called him being our best prospect at the time. Anyway glad to see he's doing well.
I strongly agree. Nobody cares but I had to deal with this for the majority of last year with zero back up.
Oh wait, are you saying you r8 Saka and everyone else thought he was sh!t? If so, apologies I wasn't around lol.
I've been on Saka train since the majority were ripping into him for getting chances but not Amaechi.
I'm not the one to brag but I could probably be an elite scout in football if I wasn't a failure of a chemist so far.
Hydro was one of his biggest backers long before most tbf.
Tbh between me and my best m8 we generally call 95% of players before other people, I called Hazard being a worldie when people here said Gervinho had the better stats etc.
The only one I got seriously wrong was Vela who I thought would go on to do wonders but didn't have the minerals.
Maybe we should start up a private scouting network
Just putting on a little drama show now. Its raining outside and my mom won't buy me a 66° raincoat.
Don't think I've ever called a player wrong although I don't make bold calls though tbf.
The one guy who currently has my rep on the line is Keita at Liverpool, he hasn't outright flopped but if he doesn't deliver the goods this season he'll have killed my 100% record.
Keita is sh!t mate, that's a bad call. Tbf tho Henderson is sh!t too and yet captains a side that won the league.
He looked so good in Germany but yeah I've learnt my lesson wrt that league now.
Dembele is also on the ropes and initially, you weren't a big fan of Saka either although you liked him as a full-back prospect.
But I still like you and you make rainy days sunny ones so please don't fight me over this!
Did an entire page just get deleted while I read and refreshed?
No, it was just moved to another thread. Going to try and keep this about Saka, you can read more about the sexual deviancy of A-M posters here.
What I meant is he transformed himself from a great prospect to a great player.
When he got to Germany, Gnabry switched up his training routine - started yoga, changed his diet and hired a coach to work on his balance and strength. He also surrounded himself with great people in a relatively distraction free environment.
Sometimes you see an ex who’s thriving and wonder why you let them go but the truth is that you needed to do so for them to thrive.
We wanted to keep him but showed it a tad too late.
Vela is still an incredible player, he had 34 goals last season in the MLS and he's barely a footballer ffs. He just lacks the cojones.
Anyway, wouldn't be surprised to see a little regression in terms of G/A from Saka. Need to be realistic. This is still a very young player, need to temper our expectations.
Saka will always get assists. I can see him breaking Henry's EPL assist record by the time he is like 22. I expect him to have 15+ assists in all competitions this season.
Those are pretty typical things for a young footballer to do in a proper environment.
What you're saying is true in so far as we offered something of a toxic environment (one of the big problems in Gnabry's development--his injury--was symptomatic of what was happening at the time, not very evolved training and sports science methods and lots of injuries in comparison to other clubs) in the later years under Wenger, but I don't think Gnabry had to leave Arsenal at all per se to triumph. He needed to be at a club who could take care of his development in a decent fashion but that's about it, he was a massive talent and he could've made it anywhere, probably even at Arsenal (his performances in the Olympics were indicative of someone who was ready to do his thing at the top level, and he was still at Arsenal then), despite it being a sub-optimal place for is development.
I think you're doing him a bit of a disservice there...
There are many things that can go awry with young talented footballers if they don't have the right blend of talent, maturity and work ethic. The latter two are intrinsic qualities that come from their upbringing.
You can't pin everything on external factors. Put a talented player in any environment you like, but a small fraction make it to elite status. Even those who get regular football. Why do you think that is?
It's not easy every day to pay attention to recovery away from training or eat right and take care of yourself mentally. Gnabry spent time learning about his own body. He practiced on his weaker foot. And.... controversial... got dose of luck after having had a dose of bad luck.
Robben and Ribery both being phased out, along with the German NT ending a cycle at the time Gnabry was coming to prominence, all fell nicely in sync and he grew in confidence.
Again, we wanted to keep him, but he had his mind made up. My issue is solely with our failure to demand a significantly high asking price. nor include any clauses.
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