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✍️ OFFICIAL Chido Obi-Martin (Out)

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Gutted to see him leave, but sadly going to be the case for quite a few youngsters over the foreseeable whilst we're competing at the very top

If we were in the same position as when Saka was coming through they'd get more chances, but once you're at the top level those chances get less, unless you are elite at that age

If you have people around you who are advising you to wait then great, but in this industry when you're having huge sums of money thrown at you and being given promises of first team football I can't blame them

Have so many examples of youth players looking like the next big thing to not make it anywhere big

Clubs like United are where we were before arteta arrived so the chance of success for him his higher, but my guess is, he goes there and ends up on loan
 

Mrs Bergkamp

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When we went through are own transition, we had youth that Emery had prepared and in ESR's case for example, Arteta only played him because of injuries and a depleted squad. ETH is giving youth a chance out of choice. Arteta isn't and didn't. There is no way Nwaneri could have performed worse than eg Vieira, Nelson and could have been given minutes on matchday 6 of the CL. The optics at Utd look better for a youth player. We lost a lot of players that we've poached from other academies but most importantly, we kept our two biggest talents in MLS and Nwaneri. Let's make them work.
 

Goonger

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When we went through are own transition, we had youth that Emery had prepared and in ESR's case for example, Arteta only played him because of injuries and a depleted squad. ETH is giving youth a chance out of choice. Arteta isn't and didn't. There is no way Nwaneri could have performed worse than eg Vieira, Nelson and could have been given minutes on matchday 6 of the CL. The optics at Utd look better for a youth player. We lost a lot of players that we've poached from other academies but most importantly, we kept our two biggest talents in MLS and Nwaneri. Let's make them work.

Nice comparison, but the main 1 you missed out is that as has been pointed out Utd finished 8th and Arsenal finished 2nd, and they also suffered from a massive injury crisis, so some of the choices were a bit forced.


Utd's youth by the way,

Garnacho (20) - £450k signing from Atletico
Diallo (22) - £19M + ads ons rising to £38M from Atalanta
Pellistri (22) - £9M signing from Penarol
Kambwala (19) - £3M signing from Sochaux, now sold to Villareal
Hannibal (22) - £9M signing from Monaco

Mainoo is probably the only lad getting any game time that actually came through Carrington aged 15. Not so impressive now.
 

Clrnc

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5 mins in the very few games each season where we’re 5 goals up isn’t going to make much difference to anyone’s development.
Nobody is talking about development, but making the young players feel valued. Not putting Cedric and Elneny on ahead of them
 

Juan Matas Beard

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Nice comparison, but the main 1 you missed out is that as has been pointed out Utd finished 8th and Arsenal finished 2nd, and they also suffered from a massive injury crisis, so some of the choices were a bit forced.


Utd's youth by the way,

Garnacho (20) - £450k signing from Atletico
Diallo (22) - £19M + ads ons rising to £38M from Atalanta
Pellistri (22) - £9M signing from Penarol
Kambwala (19) - £3M signing from Sochaux, now sold to Villareal
Hannibal (22) - £9M signing from Monaco

Mainoo is probably the only lad getting any game time that actually came through Carrington aged 15. Not so impressive now.

This kind of overlooks already established academy players that get regular game time like Rashford and McTominay. Not saying they are worldie players but obviously it shows there’s more opportunity at United than other clubs. Hojlund, Mainoo and Garnacho are starters for us regardless of injury and Yoro will also be a starter. It’s normal that some guys won’t make it like Kambwala and Pellestri, that’s football.

We don’t even know how good this kid will end up for that matter, he might be average but what’s clear is there’s a pathway for development at United. Chido would be coming the same age as when we signed Garnacho. The below stat is still ongoing and survived through Mourinho and is well over 4000+.

 

Goonger

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This kind of overlooks already established academy players that get regular game time like Rashford and McTominay. Not saying they are worldie players but obviously it shows there’s more opportunity at United than other clubs. Hojlund, Mainoo and Garnacho are starters for us regardless of injury and Yoro will also be a starter. It’s normal that some guys won’t make it like Kambwala and Pellestri, that’s football.

We don’t even know how good this kid will end up for that matter, he might be average but what’s clear is there’s a pathway for development at United. Chido would be coming the same age as when we signed Garnacho. The below stat is still ongoing and survived through Mourinho and is well over 4000+.


It is impressive, and Utd do give youth a chance. What I'm saying is if you are including guys mentioned, then you could include squad players for us like Nkeitah and Nelson, and if you count guys like Yoro and comparing them to Arsenal, then you'd count Saliba like Yoro, Martinelli like Garnacho, Saka like Rashford etc.
 

Arsenal1508

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If he destroys, lot's of people will starting asking questions about our coaching staff and top management that they let this talent go. We're screwed if he becomes World Class.
 

BBF

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Totally agree, this is just nonsense.

I had a growth spurt at 15 and went from 5'10" to over 6' so it's perfectly plausible.

There's loads of kids in American schools playing basketball, American Football, etc that are over 6' long before they go to college.

Gutted that the kid seems to be leaving though, I had such high hopes for him. That being said, Arteta is more interested in stockpiling defenders than promoting youth. If he does the same as he did with Saliba, then Nwaneri will be next to go. I know we're in win-now mode, but we can't just sacrifice the future of the team to do it.

Basketball is full of them, keeping in mind this is an image of a 16 year old Greg Oden:

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Not that different in football either. I played against loads of players in the U16s and U18s that looked like they had mortgages.

The whole rumour sounds like a stupid yer da comment made in a pub.
 

db10_therza

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Basketball is full of them, keeping in mind this is an image of a 16 year old Greg Oden:

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Not that different in football either. I played against loads of players in the U16s and U18s that looked like they had mortgages.

The whole rumour sounds like a stupid yer da comment made in a pub.

I don’t watch basketball but there is NO WAY that is a 16 yr old ffs please tell me you’re pulling my leg
 
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Big Poppa

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At 16/17 you are not looking for game time. Top clubs cant even guarantee pathway. At this stage it’s all about money.
I don’t think some of us have grasped how much the landscape has changed from even 10 years ago.

By the time a top prospect is 16/17 there’s a long line of the best clubs, sports brands and agents blowing up their phone. U18s and U21s football and zero first team minutes won’t cut it for a certain talent bracket.

If you aren’t matching what they’re prepared to offer then unless that kid bleeds your colours, they’re off to the highest bidder.
 

Mrs Bergkamp

Double Dusted
Nice comparison, but the main 1 you missed out is that as has been pointed out Utd finished 8th and Arsenal finished 2nd, and they also suffered from a massive injury crisis, so some of the choices were a bit forced.


Utd's youth by the way,

Garnacho (20) - £450k signing from Atletico
Diallo (22) - £19M + ads ons rising to £38M from Atalanta
Pellistri (22) - £9M signing from Penarol
Kambwala (19) - £3M signing from Sochaux, now sold to Villareal
Hannibal (22) - £9M signing from Monaco

Mainoo is probably the only lad getting any game time that actually came through Carrington aged 15. Not so impressive now.
Fair points but I do feel ETH has backed some of the yourg regardless of injury. Yes, they've purchased from other academies but Obi arrived here when he was 14... I think Arteta has been overly cautious in not playing some youth players and ESR got his chance purely through injury. You could argue the same with Debuchy and Bellerin but the latter was rightfully backed and saw Debuchy out of the door. We're a long way from what we were famed for and don't even take a proper risk in the League Cup. The path here isn't clear anymore and we waste money externally rather than looking within.
 

SA Gunner

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I wanted this kid and Sesko to be our next generation of forwards.

Alas, it wont materialise. As long as we get Benji next season, it should be ok.
 

Goonger

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Fair points but I do feel ETH has backed some of the yourg regardless of injury. Yes, they've purchased from other academies but Obi arrived here when he was 14... I think Arteta has been overly cautious in not playing some youth players and ESR got his chance purely through injury. You could argue the same with Debuchy and Bellerin but the latter was rightfully backed and saw Debuchy out of the door. We're a long way from what we were famed for and don't even take a proper risk in the League Cup. The path here isn't clear anymore and we waste money externally rather than looking within.

I take your point. We've not been helped in the league cup by the draws we've had the last few years, we've drawn Brighton, Brentford & West Ham the last couple of years. Would be nice to get a couple of lower league teams at home in the earlier rounds. Even the FA Cup we've drawn City and Liverpool on early rounds the last couple of years.
 

Mudi

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Also this guy has all the rights to leave. We were looking for a target striker and instead of finding someone aged older who could be a mentor and guide this guy to the first team, we were looking for a youngster who is only a couple of years older with Sesko.

Of course he should be pissed. And I can understand him to want to leave.

Also looking at his game, I see a player that is physically above his peers but that advantage quickly disappears with first team.

His link up is questionably, his ball retention and passing are okay. He is fast and can finish and the fact that he is tall, makes it much easier. But he will need to work much harder to be in the first team squad. Ethan is for example already much further on his development
 

Blankety Blank

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Also this guy has all the rights to leave. We were looking for a target striker and instead of finding someone aged older who could be a mentor and guide this guy to the first team, we were looking for a youngster who is only a couple of years older with Sesko.

Of course he should be pissed. And I can understand him to want to leave.
👍 Sesko is like 5 years older than him unless you believe his age is not legit😜 & didn't sign.

Man U have 2 strikers of a similar age to Sesko blocking his path to the 1st team.

I don't know the last time an Under 18 striker started as CF for a big club?

You probably have to go back to the days of Rooney, Owen or Anelka in the Prem.

What's that 3 in 30 years?
 

Fabregasm

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Chill guys, he's just the next Lupoli, Nketiah, Quincy, Aliadiere, Yaya Sonogo, Jeffers, Joel Campbell, Takuma Asano, Park Chu-Yong, Benik Afobe on and on

I'm sure more than half of those above you were optimistically sure they would become world beaters.
 
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