England: Need The Midas Tuch?
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Dennis_Bergkamp_10
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Country: Netherlands
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There's problems with managing the other sex in a changing room I presume, but then again there are men coaching women teams. You'd have to try it to find out whether it works.
A manager has to have knowledge of the game, tactically and psychologically, be good in man management and stuff like that. Don't think that's related to gender.
A manager has to have knowledge of the game, tactically and psychologically, be good in man management and stuff like that. Don't think that's related to gender.
GoonerJeeves
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Country: Norway
Guilty as charged
Bloodbather
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Country: Turkiye
There's a lot of insincerity going on in mainstream politics and media about issues like this for the sake of political correctness or out of fear that you might offend someone. You get the delusional equality-obsessed freaks that actually believe certain untenable things, but most are just blatantly lying about **** or going along with it.
Then the ground gets left to ****s like Piers Morgan to protest against it. If the sensible people don't speak up, the non-sensible people in the opposite side of the spectrum will, which only adds to their popularity, which makes things even worse.
Tennis is one sport where the prominent male athletes haven't been timid about refuting the terrible "pro-women" arguments. McEnroe took one for the team by saying a mediocre pro male player would beat Serena easily, then Nadal refuted the pay gap thing by pointing to supply and demand.
Paperino
It’s Timo Time
Country: Sweden
Individual sports are different.
The difference between mens footbaII and womens footbaII is comparable to the difference between kids footbaII and senior footbaII. The basic stuff is largely the same but the step between a kids team and a senior team is so big that you can talk about different sports.
Bandy and ice hockey have more similarities than mens footbaII and womens footbaII.
GoonerJeeves
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Country: Norway
The question here was whether it was a "different sport". I don't agree with that. We wouldn't call men's handball or women's handball a different sport. If we are to stick to team sports, we wouldn't call a cross country relay a different sport if it was done by women or men, nor a 4x100 men relay sprint a different sport from a 4x100 women relay.
I think the crux of the matter here is that women's football is a much less mature part of football than for instance women handball, volleyball or the various relays in endurance sports. That lies more within football itself.
carter777
Thinks Poch Is The GOAT
Country: England
Player:Saka
GoonerJeeves
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Country: Norway
Waiting for Godot.
Mohamed7
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Your post is exactly what is nepotism.
I don’t even understand what significant benefit it brings considering there are a lot of better and experienced foreign coaches.
It is the same backword thinking Premier League clubs had before Arsène was selected. Now all the top clubs have non-British managers.
Mohamed7
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Women are fully capable of coaching in men's football; there are no inherent limitations due to gender.
However, I believe it's problematic to use achievements in women’s football as the sole qualification for coaching roles in men's football. Winning championships like the Euros might not fully translate to the men’s game, where the sport benefits from more developed infrastructures and longer histories of player development.
Countries like the USA and England, which actively invest in women's sports, do have a significant advantage. This can sometimes skew perceptions of coaching success due to the varying levels of competition and development in women's football globally.
However, I believe it's problematic to use achievements in women’s football as the sole qualification for coaching roles in men's football. Winning championships like the Euros might not fully translate to the men’s game, where the sport benefits from more developed infrastructures and longer histories of player development.
Countries like the USA and England, which actively invest in women's sports, do have a significant advantage. This can sometimes skew perceptions of coaching success due to the varying levels of competition and development in women's football globally.
Tir Na Nog
Won’t accept b*tch position
Country: Ireland
Just imagine the England team under Pep.
Pickford
White Stones Maguire Shaw
Rice Wharton Foden
Palmer Kane Grealish
White Stones Maguire Shaw
Rice Wharton Foden
Palmer Kane Grealish
HattoriHanzo
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Country: Croatia
Did Arteta and Pirlo applied for a job and other candidates had better CV?
And Arteta and Pirlo got the job because they had connections in Arsenal/ Juventus and other candidates (with better CV) didn't?
This would be nepotism.
Was this the case with Arteta and Pirlo?
Bloodbather
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Country: Turkiye
Not really nepotism. It's the national team, being from the country is a clear advantage.
National teams are rarely coached by foreigners. It's usually mid-tier teams who don't have their **** together domestically that rely on some foreign coach to "teach them the way".
Macho
Mr Delete
Country: England
Then explain Roberto Martinez who’s coached Belgium and Portugal then?
Yeah I’m just not into the nationalism aspect of international football at all. Think it’s out dated so I’m actually not fussed one bit who the hell manages England as they still won’t win sh*t anyways.
Club football is superior because the best person normally gets the job which is how sports should be.
Blood on the Tracks
Michael Owen Level Analysis
Country: England
Player:Rice
Generally I'd prefer an English manager but if you have the choice of Klopp / Pep or Potter / Howe you have to go for the former.
England are in quite a good position, they'll go into the World Cup as one of the favourites so maybe they can attract a real top tier coach, even if it's just for a couple of years.
England are in quite a good position, they'll go into the World Cup as one of the favourites so maybe they can attract a real top tier coach, even if it's just for a couple of years.
jones
Captain Serious
Hi @Blood on the Tracks
I've seen you responded to the women's football bit but was wondering if you had the chance to review the above point as well?
Thanks,
jones
Blood on the Tracks
Michael Owen Level Analysis
Country: England
Player:Rice
Because it's not apples to apples.
Black men play mens football and I don't know the percentages in England but I imagine they're fairly well represented as players. So black guys being in the men's football system from boyhood there's no good reason why they should be so poorly represented in mens management and I can only logically put it down to their being some systemic issues there that are acting as blockers or putting black guys off from wanting to go into management.
Womens managers exist in a totally different ecosystem so it doesn't seem odd to me at all that they're not represented in mens football, I can't think of a good reason why they would be tbh.
Macho
Mr Delete
Country: England
Seeing as a lot of modern football can be boiled down to data and patterns, women could 100% absolutely coach a mens team.
We all suspect these players aren't going to listen to a woman though, so it's less about what the woman is capable of doing and more about the players willingness to be coached by the opposite sex.
We all suspect these players aren't going to listen to a woman though, so it's less about what the woman is capable of doing and more about the players willingness to be coached by the opposite sex.
jones
Captain Serious
