England: Need The Midas Tuch?

[Dennis_Bergkamp_10]

Seeing as a lot of modern football can be boiled down to data and patterns, women could 100% absolutely coach a mens team.

We all suspect these players aren't going to listen to a woman though, so it's less about what the woman is capable of doing and more about the players willingness to be coached by the opposite sex.

Someone's got to take the first step. You can give a woman a chance if you're willing to take on someone like Hodgson at Palace last time.

 

[Sammy1887]

Next Tottenham or United manager.

 

[Trilly]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1813301546123424105

This would be facsinating to observe.

No idea how he'd implement his complex patterns in an international cycle but the man is a genius. Wouldn't put it past him to create some kind of lite version of Pep ball.

Pretty much all of the England team play for clubs who play on the front foot, play out from the back, dominate the central areasmof the pitch and employ some kind of pressing. It could work.

 

[Trilly]

Pickford
White (C) Stones Maguire Shaw
Rice Wharton Foden
Palmer Kane Grealish

Fixed that for you

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

Anyway what's the standard of women's football if you actually compare it to mens football? Probably semi pro. That's being kind too.

Could you imagine some manager who's won the title in the 8th tier of English football getting linked with the national job? Everyone would know it was stupid and they'd be way out of their depth.

Waiting for @A_G to tell me Mike Bassett did it.

 

[db10_therza]

Anyway what's the standard of women's football if you actually compare it to mens football? Probably semi pro. That's being kind too.

Could you imagine some manager who's won the title in the 8th tier of English football getting linked with the national job? Everyone would know it was stupid and they'd be way out of their depth.

Waiting for @A_G to tell me Mike Bassett did it.

The standard of women’s football isn’t really relevant to a woman getting a coaching job, the same way you can have male managers who have never played professional football.

Few more years and chatGPT will be managing teams anyway and then we’ll revisit this conversation.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

The standard of women’s football isn’t really relevant to a woman getting a coaching job, the same way you can have male managers who have never played professional football.

Few more years and chatGPT will be managing teams anyway and then we’ll revisit this conversation.

Of course it is. If you've only managed at a lower standard of football where's the evidence you have the skills or abilities to jump up multiple levels? Why should you even be linked with a top job? Makes no sense.

We're not talking a manager moving from a Championship or League 1 club to the PL here, there's a chasm in quality.

 

[jones]

Man like Ian Ladyman lmao

This is why I can’t do the England ting fully.

"Can't do the England ting fully" would be a great tagline

 

[db10_therza]

Of course it is. If you've only managed at a lower standard of football where's the evidence you have the skills or abilities to jump up multiple levels? Why should you even be linked with a top job? Makes no sense.

We're not talking a manager moving from a Championship or League 1 club to the PL here, there's a chasm in quality.

This is exactly my point. Most managers who haven’t really played the game (eg Arsène) had to start off somewhere and prove themselves as they set off on an upward trajectory. Coaching assistant, assistant manager etc. I’m not talking about lifting someone from the WSL straight into the PL. I’m asking if there is any reason why women shouldn’t be able to prove themselves as managers within the male pyramid.

My question is whether women can take that path of progression within the men’s game or not (I mean my question was intended to be rhetorical tbh but clearly not the case anymore).

 

[A_G]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1813565692450365620

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

This is exactly my point. Most managers who haven’t really played the game (eg Arsène) had to start off somewhere and prove themselves as they set off on an upward trajectory. Coaching assistant, assistant manager etc. I’m not talking about lifting someone from the WSL straight into the PL. I’m asking if there is any reason why women shouldn’t be able to prove themselves as managers within the male pyramid.

My question is whether women can take that path of progression within the men’s game or not (I mean my question was intended to be rhetorical tbh but clearly not the case anymore).

Yeah, but Arsène, Ferguson etc may not have had stellar careers but they were ingrained within the mens football system from a young age.

I don't see there being any inherent reasons why a woman couldn't be as good as a man from a tactical or man management stand point, but in my opinion they'd need to be ingrained in mens football from a young age.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1813565692450365620

We've just got rid of a bvm. I don't want a semi bvm replacing him ffs.

 

[db10_therza]

Yeah, but Arsène, Ferguson etc may not have had stellar careers but they were ingrained within the mens football system from a young age.

I don't see there being any inherent reasons why a woman couldn't be as good as a man from a tactical or man management stand point, but in my opinion they'd need to be ingrained in mens football from a young age.

I’m just not sure I agree with this. We’re massively overstating the effect of a mediocre playing career. Mourinho started his learning journey as Robsons interpreter, weren’t nothing to do with his dismal playing career.

What I’m getting at is this. There’s plenty of entry level roles in football that women can and should be doing which could then possibly act a springboard to greater things down the line. But without change at these entry levels we will never see change at the top. Being a football manager requires absolutely no inherent physical attributes which would prima facie favour a man over a woman. All you’ve done is given me a list of barriers to entry to women (needing to play men’s football…) which is basically proving the point that the entire set up is unnecessarily discriminatory.

Then again I remember guys like you choking on your dentures when we first started seeing female physios let alone that poor female linesman so it’s all good.

 

[albakos]

Where's @BaZZe in all this discussion of last few pages !?

 

[BaZZe]

Where's @BaZZe in all this discussion of last few pages !?

I've learnt that arguing on AM over feminism or trans rights is a pointless exercise.

There are most definitely intricate nuanced differences between coaching in the women's game compared to the men's that us laymen have no idea about but I doubt ability is an issue for women to coach men's teams.

 

[Paperino]

Women and men generally reason in different ways and deal with problems in different ways and have different mentalities. To act like these differences would be irrelevant in football is very naive. Only a deranged idìot (seems like we have a couple of people like that in this thread) would say that women and men aren't different in more ways than what the eye can see. I am very critical of Arteta but i would never ever accept if a women replaced him as he is better suited to coach a mens team, not only because of his experience but also because of his gender. But this is not very relevant in this thread since Eddie Howe isnt a woman.

And, no, it isnt discrimination to not allow females to play in mens footbaII teams just like it isnt discrimination to not allow men to play in womens footbaII teams.

 

[A_G]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1813608798809956625

Wut

 

[Thrice]

Postecoglou replacing Southgate would be wild. Imagine going from Southgate's playing not to lose tactics to Ange's playing to win at any cost even if we're two men down and only need a draw style.

 

[jaystewart]

It would be interesting to know if any women managers have ever tried to get an interview in the mens game let alone be interviewed. I am 100% certain Emma Hayes would make better decisions than Rooney and he has been considered for premier league jobs.

 

[Batman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1813608798809956625

Wut