England: Need The Midas Tuch?

[albakos]

I'd say the opposite, the expectations are through the roof and the English are very entitled when it comes to football. Gareth was a weird one, because he reached finals you couldn't really complain but it was never convincing.

I said low expectation in reply to @A_G indicating that when Southgate took over in 2016, the team were a joke, this is why I said the expectations were low after that 2016 set of displays.

He got the whole set-up back on track tbf, England were a joke when he took over.

It was said many times, but with such low expectations on England, and the media pressure to have an EnGLiShMaN in charge, he had a free ride, which also coincided with a generation of very good players and quality across the formation.

 

[Nunowoolmez]

They actually haven't been a strong tournament side at all. They've benefitted from the extraordinary luck of being on the weak side of the bracket every time and lost to every big nation they've faced that was up to playing that day as well as Croatia.

Do you think they'd have made the final on the other side of the bracket where Spain, Germany and France were? Of course not. Southgate has been gifted some of the luckiest draws in history and clear paths to finals and then choked when it matters. His record against the other big nations in tournaments tells you all you need to know about him. It's putrid.

Whatever man.

2 finals, a SF & QF says otherwise. It doesn't matter how teams get there or who they face. It's just tournament football.

We disagree, & that's ok.

 

[outlawz]

The end of an era. Lord Southgate, you shall be forever be enshrined in English folklore.

 

[Dokaka]

No it's just stating facts. Sometimes teams who are 2nd best on the day still come out on top. It's just football.

If England had won either 2020 or 2024, people would still moan about England not playing good enough football etc etc, but football is a results based business & Southgate has got the NT closer than any other manager to winning something (since 66).

Southgate is emblematic of this.

 

[albakos]

The end of an era. Lord Southgate, you shall be forever be enshrined in English folklore.

Should your tagline be updated when he's made a Lord ?

 

[Penn_]

What’s the point in tearing down Southgate now? He’s gone.

Had his limitations but he restored a fractured national team and will go down as one of our most successful managers.

 

[Arsenal4life14]

He did well to get us pretty far in tournaments but that was mostly because we have a very good team so the players would often bail him out, His tactical awareness and team set up in my opinion has always been found wanting. Like others have posted he's also been quite lucky in a few tournaments with how the draw went and still couldn't go on to win a major tournament, For me he was just too negative and boring in all honesty.

 

[Macho]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1813169842049995097

 

[Arsenal4life14]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1813169842049995097

A big reason why I disliked Southgate tbh for too long he had his favourites and wouldn't drop them even if they had **** seasons, And players that were performing to a really high level never got a look in, When you do stuff like that it's never going to help your cause or make you popular.

 

[A_G]

 

[Mohamed7]

I don’t ever celebrate when someone loses his job, but the outcome was very necessary for all the parts.

I at least respect his decision for not wanting to overstay. It is clear fans haven’t been on his side since Euro20.

He has done a lot to be proud of. Took the nation from the embarrassments of Gary Neville in 2016 - Promoted a lot of young players, built harmony and chemistry of the team, and never underachieved in any tournament.

 

[Mohamed7]

England will be much improved now. Almost guaranteed.

Not with the suggested shortlist. Howe, Potter, Tuchel, and Poch have all their respective issues, limitations.

Had to be said. I understand your post is more of a dig than a serious one.

 

[Mohamed7]

No British coach please. Enough of nepotism.

The good ones lack the experience, pedigree, and strong personality to handle the media specially with all these opinionated ex-players who either never managed or failed at it.

 

[Mohamed7]

minus Klopp and Pep

 

[Macho]

No British coach please. Enough of nepotism.

The good ones lack the experience, pedigree, and strong personality to handle the media specially with all these opinionated ex-players who either never managed or failed at it.

Think Potter and Howe would be alright actually. The England job is literally the only top job a British manager or coach can realistically hope to get without taking a club from A to B by themselves.

Guys who got top jobs quickly like Arteta or Pirlo are better examples of Nepotism.

 

[A_G]

Why would an English coach getting the job be nepotism?

 

[Macho]

Why would an English coach getting the job be nepotism?

Well, if a bunch of non-british managers apply and a lesser coach gets the job due to being british then that is an advantage/privilege that would be deemed nepotism.

The nuance here being the apply bit, which doesn't tend to happen with a job as big as this as candidates are most likely approached.

 

[A_G]

Well, if a bunch of non-british managers apply and a lesser coach gets the job due to being british then that is an advantage/privilege that would be deemed nepotism.

The nuance here being the apply bit, which doesn't tend to happen with a job as big as this as candidates are most likely approached.

English coaches for English jobs mate.

 

[Dennis_Bergkamp_10]

I do hope it'll be Frank Lampard. Please God.

 

[Dokaka]

Tbh I think international coaches should be from the same country. Always been weird to me that the rule only applies to the players, the whole point of the thing is you're sending your nation's best.

Ideally you make it a rule, would also give coaches from completely overlooked nations a chance instead of some 65-year-old Irish bum managing Taipei.

Capello managing England just felt ****ing weird, as an example.