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LOSS FA Cup 3rd Round | Arsenal (1) 3 - (1) 5 Manchester United | 12-01-2025, 3pm | BBC1

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Gary Neville saying this is the worst Utd side ever
 

ksarp

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Don't really know what to say to it really, just sad.
Is it sad on first glance? Absolutely! Then there is the prospect of what happens next. The problem isn't a lack of offensive opportunities, it is the outcomes and over time the outcomes will improve. Tetta said something about being proud and loving his players. I think it's the perfect message to send. Kai can't just keep missing sitters, or Rice headers, or Ødegaard penalties. Form is temporary, class is permanent. We will bounce back.
 

sdotzdot

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He speaks the truth tbh

I think last season was crushing for the players, mentally.

Then the game against City this season where they equalised in last moments, I think that was also pretty devastating. I think it took a lot of wind out of our sails tbh

Our play is so rigid & robotic. It's like they are going over drills from the training pitch in games sometimes because it's what they are told to do.

Don't get me started on the set pieces FFS
Absolutely this. It's beyond obvious the players have given up hope or on the manager.

It's hard to tell which, and I sincerely hope it is the former. As Arteta is not going anywhere for the time being, so there is no point in wishing for the players to downed tools to force any action, it won't happen. That will just be devastating for the club and us fans.

Arteta really has to figure something out.
 

MA08

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Absolutely this. It's beyond obvious the players have given up hope or on the manager.

It's hard to tell which, and I sincerely hope it is the former. As Arteta is not going anywhere for the time being, so there is no point in wishing for the players to downed tools to force any action, it won't happen. That will just be devastating for the club and us fans.

Arteta really has to figure something out.
The amount of over reaction here is too much. We have been playing every 3 days since Nov 21st and this will continue till Feb 5th,when we will get a 10 day break between Newcastle and the next PL game. The way we are playing is a by product of losing players to injury and having lesser players to navigate through this period. We are trying to play much more controlled, so that we are not having to extend more energy. After Feb 5th our schedule eases and i am sure that we will see a lot more aggressive pressing and game from us.

As for players downing the tool, go watch these last two games. We were good for most parts in these 2 games, just the poor finishing letting us down.
 

Mrs Bergkamp

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The same face Guardiola makes when he invests in Marmoush after spending 100 million on Grealish, 60 on Doku etc. And same face he is making when after buying Gvadriol for 80 million, he is buying two more defenders for close 90 million. Every coach needs to buy because tactics evolve and players will have to be upgraded. That is the nature of the game. Especially in EPL. That is why we bought Havertz and Rice and Raya after we were second in 2022-23 season. So that we can move forward. And finally please show me a coach who has only successful buys. and also what is a successful buy? to me if the player is trusted by the coach to play regularly, then it is a successful buy.
City are cheats and financially doped and so Pep can make whatever face he wants. We've never been that club. My issue is Arteta spending so much on a dud (Havertz) that might stop us upgrading in the striker department because of PSR. Your last point is your opinion, but eg nobody would call Mustafi a successful. Sometimes a manager just has to play what he has. I have serious reservations about Arteta purchasing attackers-when he can ve bothered- and hooe there will be other voices in the room
 

MA08

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City are cheats and financially doped and so Pep can make whatever face he wants. We've never been that club. My issue is Arteta spending so much on a dud (Havertz) that might stop us upgrading in the striker department because of PSR. Your last point is your opinion, but eg nobody would call Mustafi a successful. Sometimes a manager just has to play what he has. I have serious reservations about Arteta purchasing attackers-when he can ve bothered- and hooe there will be other voices in the room
And we were second to City for 2 years. If they are cheats and they are winning by cheating, what do you want Arteta to do? Havertz is a dud is simply your opinion. Arteta who has bettered every Arsenal team since 2004, does not think so. And i think he knows better than most.

Also, regarding Mustafi, Arsenal tried to sell/replace him many times. we were simply unsuccessful.
 

El Realista

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Country: Mexico

Player:Zinchenko
I am fine we are out of FA Cup. We with Jesus and Saka out, Ben White Out till Jan end, and other injuries will not be able to manage 4 competitions. Our squad needs more players to handle this. I am upset about losing to Newcastle, which was bad, but United out is something i am fine with. I want us to win the Premier League, and the only way we win is by playing EPL matches with a week's rest. and the best way to do is by being out of these cups.
New culture they say
 

Makingtrax

Worships in the house of Wenger 🙏

Country: England

Player:Saliba
I know how much you have supported Wenger, and if you are honest you could see this a much better team than any he had since 2004.
Wenger's teams post 2004 always had holes and weak spots despite the stars he got the most out of. Whilst the likes of Van Persie could score spectacular goals, you're never going to win the league with the Carl Jenkinsons of this world. Wenger's aggressive tactics were always to try and outscore the opposition in order to stay in the Champions League. And it was incredibly effective.

Arteta is in a different world. He's had a sustained 5 year investment to match the top sides, and consequently this team is definitely much more rounded, you're right.
 

Mrs Bergkamp

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And we were second to City for 2 years. If they are cheats and they are winning by cheating, what do you want Arteta to do? Havertz is a dud is simply your opinion. Arteta who has bettered every Arsenal team since 2004, does not think so. And i think he knows better than most.

Also, regarding Mustafi, Arsenal tried to sell/replace him many times. we were simply unsuccessful.
I'd like Arteta to fo what Klopp did and won in spite of City's cheating especially when we were in pole position to fo so. Havertz being a dud sadly isn't a unique opinion. If Giroud wasn't it, then he certainly isn't. Agree that Arteta knows more about football than I do except I'm pretty sure that I could fashion a better attack- and I mean one that blows the opponent off the park as opposed to creating a shed load of chances for dud forwards to miss. Agree on trying to move Mustafi on but that doesn't change the fact that he was still played despite not being rated. Just like Havertz has been moved all over the park and doesn't add anywhere near enough to a club with our alleged aspirations. You support Arteta and that's fine but I support Arsenal over this manager. Let's agree to disagree. Bon nuit.
 

Mrs Bergkamp

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I am fine we are out of FA Cup. We with Jesus and Saka out, Ben White Out till Jan end, and other injuries will not be able to manage 4 competitions. Our squad needs more players to handle this. I am upset about losing to Newcastle, which was bad, but United out is something i am fine with. I want us to win the Premier League, and the only way we win is by playing EPL matches with a week's rest. and the best way to do is by being out of these cups.
How can any Gooner be fine with losing when we aren't favourites in any of the remaining comps that we are still involved in? Don't bother responding. I know the answer is something , something Arteta....
 

Mrs Bergkamp

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Wenger's teams post 2004 always had holes and weak spots despite the stars he got the most out of. Whilst the likes of Van Persie could score spectacular goals, you're never going to win the league with the Carl Jenkinsons of this world. Wenger's aggressive tactics were always to try and outscore the opposition in order to stay in the Champions League. And it was incredibly effective.

Arteta is in a different world. He's had a sustained 5 year investment to match the top sides, and consequently this team is definitely much more rounded, you're right.
This team is definitely more rounded and pound for pound, the back 5 are better. But our midfield today is one big hole and I'd sooner pin a hope on Sanogo and Giroud that any striker we have today.
 

MA08

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I'd like Arteta to fo what Klopp did and won in spite of City's cheating especially when we were in pole position to fo so. Havertz being a dud sadly isn't a unique opinion. If Giroud wasn't it, then he certainly isn't. Agree that Arteta knows more about football than I do except I'm pretty sure that I could fashion a better attack- and I mean one that blows the opponent off the park as opposed to creating a shed load of chances for dud forwards to miss. Agree on trying to move Mustafi on but that doesn't change the fact that he was still played despite not being rated. Just like Havertz has been moved all over the park and doesn't add anywhere near enough to a club with our alleged aspirations. You support Arteta and that's fine but I support Arsenal over this manager. Let's agree to disagree. Bon nuit.
Well Klopp won 1 leage and 1 CL in 9 years. After 9 years Arteta is not topping that i will happily criticise him.
Havertz is a dud and we are second in the league. What does that tell you? We were 2 points away from a great footballing team(the best EPL has ever seen). How is that possible if Arteta signs only duds and does not know how to coach attack.

I can agree that we need a clinical striker. But that does not mean Havertz is not useful. Both can be true at the same time.
 

MA08

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Wenger's teams post 2004 always had holes and weak spots despite the stars he got the most out of. Whilst the likes of Van Persie could score spectacular goals, you're never going to win the league with the Carl Jenkinsons of this world. Wenger's aggressive tactics were always to try and outscore the opposition in order to stay in the Champions League. And it was incredibly effective.

Arteta is in a different world. He's had a sustained 5 year investment to match the top sides, and consequently this team is definitely much more rounded, you're right.
And it is very close to being a super team. Needs one or two more pieces. Wengers team post 2004 were never there
 

Mrs Bergkamp

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Well Klopp won 1 leage and 1 CL in 9 years. After 9 years Arteta is not topping that i will happily criticise him.
Havertz is a dud and we are second in the league. What does that tell you? We were 2 points away from a great footballing team(the best EPL has ever seen). How is that possible if Arteta signs only duds and does not know how to coach attack.

I can agree that we need a clinical striker. But that does not mean Havertz is not useful. Both can be true at the same time.
See you in four years. I can't wait....
 
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