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Who would win in a fight?

Poll closed Jan 7, 2018.
  1. Vasyl Lomachenko

    5 vote(s)
    26.3%
  2. Draw

    3 vote(s)
    15.8%
  3. Arséne Wenger

    11 vote(s)
    57.9%
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  1. Preacher

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  2. Marmaduke

    Marmaduke Well-Known Member

    I would personally opt for an experienced hand like Ancelotti or (gasp) yes.. a Rafa type coach. You know you won't go spiraling into oblivion with them.

    The riskiest I'd go is one of those passionate nutcases like Klopp or Simeone.

    Arteta could prove to a revelation and exceptional coach but theres also a chance of him being a dismal failure. I've been pro-Wenger my whole life and most recently on the basis of stability (although, yes I think a change would be needed provided its a perfect one at least on paper) so it would be hypocritical for me to fully endorse that idea.

    ***Also, as mentioned by @Batman, Zidane has got probably the world's most respected CVs as a player, so managing big egos is undeniably a strong suite of his (and probably the biggest factor for a club like Real). We just need a good, progressive coach.
     
  3. Enfield

    Enfield Well-Known Member

    Am I the only one who is thinks Wenger is getting a bit too much stick for his team selection.

    Prior to kick off we all felt that the second team should be well able to handle a Forest team sliding down the championship and without a manager

    Also what happens if we are pushing for a winner and some thug goes through Özil with 15mins left.

    I guarantee that everyone on here will take an opposite view to todays opinion.

    Also lets not forget that while the embarrassing set up for the first goal from the free kick happened while grown men, professionals no less, stood there and let it happen.

    If Mertesacker is taking the reins with the young lads next summer I dearly hope he wakes up a little and teaches the lads to thin about the game they are playing.

    The senior players on the pitch have as much to answer for as Wenger and Bould
     
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  4. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    You mean those same 'senior' players which WENGER & BOULD are responsible for sticking with? Out of all those so called senior players on the field, not one would make it into our rivals squads...
    Mertesacker - Well past it. Slow as ever, yet we played a high line.... Kak coaching that.
    Walcott - The epitome of what is wrong with contract negotiations at this club. Should have been binned years ago.
    Welbeck - Is he really a senior player. Headless chicken who couldn't find the net in a fishing trawler
    Elneny - Denilson 2.0. Goes sideways, sideways and sideways. Watched the volleyed goal go in. Pathetic signing.
    Ospina - I like this player. But not for this league. It is blatantly clear he is too small for this league!!!
    Debuchy - Been sulking for two years now. Could have brought back Bacary on a free. "mr consistent" we called him.


    We've had ample opportunity to upgrade those players yet Wenger persists with them season after season.
     
  5. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    He dd the right thing. Most of the first XI players needed a breather after the Christmas period and the players that did start at Forest should have been good enough to win.

    Wenger prioritised the CC SF and rightfully so imo.
     
  6. Lookin' for a new Baby

    Lookin' for a new Baby New name pending...

    This, also, El Neny gets stick for sideways, but they all do it , Wenger must coach them to do it, part of his strategy.
     
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  7. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    Can't agree it was the right decision. League cup over an FA cup. WTF!
     
  8. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    True. We're stale as ever.
     
  9. Enfield

    Enfield Well-Known Member


    I'm not arguing that those players are the second coming of the invincibles however I think they can be reasonable expected to handle a poor managerless team from the championship in a competent manner without it coming down on Wenger alone.

    If we shift all those players then who do you replace them with. Kids or other adequate at best players who don't drain our budget and prevent us getting someone like Lamar
     
  10. Preacher

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    I don't have a problem with Wenger's selected starting eleven, but bench was too weak. Lacazette, Alexis and Özil should have been on the bench.
     
  11. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    You're being a bit ridiculous. We have had ample time to replace ALL those players. We only have ourselves to blame for not getting rid at the right times. It wouldn't all happen at once. This is a build up of several seasons of mismanagement... We've had more than two season to replace EVERY single one of them bar Elneny.

    Mertesacker - SHould have gone after the World CUp.
    Walcott - Should have been sold to Liverpool while they wanted him
    Welbeck - You're telling me we can;t replace this guy??????
    Elneny - Should never have been signed.
    Ospina - Plenty time to replace. Scez ring any bells....
    Debuchy - I put the replacement as the reason... Could have brought back Bacary on a free. "mr consistent" we called him.
     
  12. Enfield

    Enfield Well-Known Member

    If you sell all those players you will get peanuts in return. You then need to spend some money to get another 6 players. That expenditure will drain your resources to sign a top player for 75mil odd

    I would also have kept Scezsny (close enough spelling) however Sagna was slipping while he was here and there is a reason City left him off on a free and no one else took him.

    We need to sign another 5 players who won't make the starting team, therefore we could still have lost to Forest if the replacements were not big enough and even someway football intelligent to stop making novice mistakes that we saw on Sunday.

    Dont get me wrong, I'm not letting Wenger away with anything however I think team selection is not the rod to beat him with
     
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  13. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    You're missing my point. We'd have made money on a wolrd cup winning Mertesacker... Now we won't but if we had sold when we should have we would have earned money for it.
    Walcott is another point. A few seasons back Liverpool were willing to throw half their transfer kitty at this idiot. WE DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE MADE MONEY.
    Welbeck..... We can get our 16m back for this lad in this market. Maybe even 20.
    Ospina, won't be worth poo at the end of this season. COuld have bveen sold in the summer.
    Debuchy. This is a tricky one.
     
  14. Enfield

    Enfield Well-Known Member

    I understand what you are getting at but all of those players weren't terrible at the time. Its the equivalent of selling someone like Bellerin now. He probably should turn out to be top player but if he continues to slide we could look back in 18 months time and say we should have sold them

    Even if we were to get rootless and start selling more, I think it is unlikely that Stan lets Arséne keep all the money to buy players.
     
  15. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    Sorry, but that isn't true.
    Welbeck is no worse than he has always been. Ospina has not declined either. If anything his best season was last season. Walcott has been a walking disaster for years. ANyone who can't see that doesn't understand this game. Pace merchant and nothing more.
     
  16. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    He's in the semi-finals of one already. No guarantees about making it that far in the FA Cup, so he chose not to risk too many physically. Understandable.
     
  17. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    Wow we are a small club if this is the mentality.
     
  18. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator

    2017: Man United rested 7 starters for the CC SF, Liverpool rested 10
    2016: Liverpool rested 10 players before their CC SF, Man City rested 8
    2015: Chelsea rested 8 players before the CC SF, Tottenham rested 9
    2014: Man City rested 7 players for the CC, Man United rested 7 as well

    Are those all small clubs too?
     
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  19. Lookin' for a new Baby

    Lookin' for a new Baby New name pending...

    No, strength in depth, our bench was pathetic on Sunday.
     
  20. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mmhmm yes, I agree

    YES THEY ARE!! And it I;m disappointed you would ask that
     
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